As a Christian, I defended Obamacare. But I really support single-payer.

[rsr]

And that free healthcare at local hospitals was forced on everyone by Federal law, a law.that the Feds had no business passing at all. As usual, the Federal goverent is the root cause of another expensive problem.

Well, no. Hospitals have to accept emergencies. Private hospitals treat them and send them on to public hospitals. I guess it would be better to push them out into the street and hope they get better.

I don't think Pope Francis would approve. But then, I suppose you're a Catholic only when it's convenient.

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't think Pope Francis would approve. But then, I suppose you're a Catholic only when it's convenient.

Wait, you are suggesting that he/she is only Catholic if they agree 100% with the Pope. Otherwise it is just pure convenience?

 

[rsr]

Ask a Catholic, not me.

 

[Revmitchell]

Ask a Catholic, not me.

Uh you made the assertion.

 

[rsr]

So?

 

[carpro]

Never, never, never put a bureaucrat between a patient and his doctor.

That sums up the biggest problem with any "single payer" sysrem.

 

[carpro]

Supposing there was a constitutional amendment passed guaranteeing universal health care?

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Never happen.

 

[carpro]

If my federal taxes doubled and I could get the same level of health insurance coverage I have now I would be saving thousands of dollars per year in insurance premiums.

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And somebody else would be paying the difference for you.

Chances are you are paying what you are paying because of government interference in the health care system.

 

[Adonia]

Well, no. Hospitals have to accept emergencies. Private hospitals treat them and send them on to public hospitals. I guess it would be better to push them out into the street and hope they get better.

I don't think Pope Francis would approve. But then, I suppose you're a Catholic only when it's convenient.

Pope Francis is a Jesuit, a group within the Catholic Church that leans to the left. I am of the conservative wing and in many cases the Pope has his personal views on things which i am not obliged to follow. I remain a Catholic in good standing despite our disagreement on certain issues.

Sorry, but prior to the Federal law that was passed, hospitals could refuse to treat people - emergencies or not - who had no money or insurance.

 

[rsr]

I agree it's an unreasonable requirement to ask hospitals to treat emergency cases that show up. They should be packed up and sent to the nearest public hospital. If they die, that's on them.

Glad to hear you're a Catholic in good standing. So you're bound by his dogmatic declarations but can ignore his pastoral teachings. Good to know.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Would you be willing to double your federal tax bill in order to help the needy?

There's no basis in fact to support this assertion.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Ridiculous. It might cease to be a hegemon, but it would destroy the nation to cut back on Trump's extravagant requests.

The U.S. spends as much on our military as the next 8 countries in the world combined! That includes Russia and China. How can you make this statement given that fact?

 

[church mouse guy]

There's no basis in fact to support this assertion.

Well, just how much do you think that it would cost to enact the Democrat/Sanders plan, which only a minority of Americans support? And where in the world do you think that socialized medicine would work if it were faithfully implemented? Have you done the math?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Well, just how much do you think that it would cost to enact the Democrat/Sanders plan, which only a minority of Americans support? And where in the world do you think that socialized medicine would work if it were faithfully implemented? Have you done the math?

I'll wait for the official CBO analysis something we don't have on the latest GOP fiasco. Polls seem to have swung back and forth on support for single-payer but the latest one I could find said a slim majority of Americans support it.

Poll: Majority supports single-payer health care

The latest Harvard-Harris Poll survey found 52 percent favor a single-payer system against 48 who oppose it. A strong majority of Democrats — 69 percent — back the idea. Republicans oppose single-payer, 65-35, and independents are split, with 51 percent opposing and 49 supporting.

 

[LowOiL]

We are not a democracy FollowTheWay, we are a constitutional Republic and healthcare is not something that should be voted upon (unless a Constitution Amendment). It is not under the scope of federal government powers for exactly the reason that if the masses decide they can vote something for themselves they overwhelm the bounds of what a society can logically support.

I want a million dollars, a new car, free stuff and healthcare, lets vote it in on the federal level bypassing the 10th amendment. If locals want to ruin their own selves like several towns have found out they can do (having to pay more retirement plans than taxes allow). At least the socialist test is localized and people can flee the doomed area and leave it to rot like a lot of major cities now in decay.

@FollowTheWay

Not following the thread real well so please ping me if you reply. Thanks.

 

[rsr]

The U.S. spends as much on our military as the next 8 countries in the world combined! That includes Russia and China. How can you make this statement given that fact?

Sorry. Left out a word. Should have read:

"Ridiculous. It might cease to be a hegemon, but it would not destroy the nation to cut back on Trump's extravagant requests."

 

[Adonia]

I agree it's an unreasonable requirement to ask hospitals to treat emergency cases that show up. They should be packed up and sent to the nearest public hospital. If they die, that's on them.

Glad to hear you're a Catholic in good standing. So you're bound by his dogmatic declarations but can ignore his pastoral teachings. Good to know.

The Pope is not an American citizen who would be required to pay the bill, i am.

However, I wholeheartedly follow Pope Francis's pastoral admonitions to help others and i do this by giving to private charitable organizations who make far better use of my money than the government can. Like i said before, the government has only made things worse in such situations.

 

[carpro]

For some who like to wrap it in the mantle of false piety and caring, they're just trying to justify giving the government extensive control over their lives.

As we all know, obamacare has nothing to do with Christianity, it's purely about government control, politics, and power.

 

[church mouse guy]

Can you imagine the corruption under socialized medicine? Not only would there be death panels and long waiting lists, but medical suppliers would be contracting to sell bottles of 100 aspirin to the government for $500, unless the government was going to socialize the production of medicines also, in which case costs would become even worse as shortages would occur since no one would have any incentive to do anything well.

To the proponents of socialized medicine, send your time and money to Bernie Sanders. He has two or three expensive homes and he probably needs some campaign dollars to pay for upkeep on his properties. Shouldn't the leader in the socialized medicine political movement have some very fancy homes?

 

[carpro]

If obamacare had anything at all to do with Christian charity, it would not have had to be passed through a web of lies, deceit and corrupt political deals.

I don't believe God would want to be associated with such a corrupt program.

Neither should any Christian defend it.