At-any-moment return of Christ?

[Mel Miller]

Me4Him,

Quote by OldRegular and REquote by Me4Him:
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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Miller

Your problem is that you are completely wrong concerning end time events.
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I read and re-read your post and still am
wondering how you have backed up your charge
that I am "completely wrong".

Respectfully, would you be more specific on
what you meant on Jan.3 at 8:09 AM?

Your opening statement:
//"If you'll notice, the trib period is the last week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy, and it's at the `END of the SIX DAYS'".//

Your closing statement:
//"we are "AT THE END".//

It would help if you would explain what you mean by "the END" before you establish your charge
that I am "completely wrong"!?

Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Helen:
OK, I won't pay any attention then to what the early Christians wrote about this. I won't pay any attention to the fact that the translation made by the Hebrews themselves before Christ says something different. I won't pay any attention to anything but a translation which doesn't even match up with the quotes Jesus and the authors of the NT used.

That's the correct way, right?

Sorry about the sarcasm, but our efforts to put God into a box so we can understand His timing and His way of going are useless. If Jesus Himself did not know the time, what makes you think anyone else is smarter?

You're making a "mistake" that "MILLIONS" make, a "GENERAL READING" of scripture.

That's more in the scriptures than what appears on the surface.

Until you start examining "EVERY WORD", in detail, you'll pass right over what is just below the surface.

Example: "destroy this body, "IN THREE DAYS", "RESURRECTED".

72 Hours, right?

But Jesus was born/crucified "in the evening" of the "FOURTH DAY".

"THREE DAYS FOREWARD, 5th, 6th, 7th,

Did you know that the "FIRST RESURRECTION" is to occur "Early in the morning" of the 7th day, or "IN THREE DAYS".

Scripture/prophecy has both a "Spiritual" (72 hours) and a "LITERAL" (1000 year/day) application.

Ya'll can save me a lot of typing and read the "link",

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3398.html

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Your closing statement:
//"we are "AT THE END".//

It would help if you would explain what you mean by "the END" before you establish your charge
that I am "completely wrong"!?

Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

Ex 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest:

We're at the end of the six days.

Jesus said "IN THREE DAYS", he would be "resurrected" (Back on earth)
the "FIRST RESURRECTION".

The "parable of the Fig trees".

The generation of "HIS BRANCH" didn't pass, and the generation of "HER BRANCH" is prophesied NOT TO PASS" until "ALL IS FULFILLED".

"ALL THREE" of these prophecies "FOCUS" on the time frame we live in and especially "THIS GENERATION" of "HER BRANCH".

One can not fail without pulling the other two down with it,

"WE ARE AT THE END".

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by rozy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Me, too, Helen. Waiting for the sound of the trumpet. See you in the air, Helen.

Makes me want to hear Vestal Goodman singing The Meeting in the Air.
</font>[/QUOTE]Amen!

 

[Mel Miller]

Me4Him,

It looks as if you have determined the "End"
began in 1948 and will terminate by or before
the year 2018.

Every one who has set exact dates has been
found wrong. I find no proof that "the end"
for "this generation" began in 1948 nor that
it must end by the year 2018.

Can you prove the following: A "generation"
must be limited exactly to 70 years?

The weight of evidence is against the setting
of exact dates even if it could be proved
"this generation" was meant by Jesus to begin
in 1948!!

Thanks
Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

 

[LadyEagle]

The Bible Codes says it will end by 2012. That's what was on the History Channel.

 

[blackbird]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
The Bible Codes says it will end by 2012. That's what was on the History Channel.

Sooooooooo! Blackbird's cousin, LadyEagle, has finally succumbed to countless Television dogma's, huh???

 

[LadyEagle]

Tele-evangelists.

 

[OldRegular]

I see that Me4Him has resorted to his unintelligible charts.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
I see that Me4Him has resorted to his unintelligible charts.

MERCY, ignorance only proves ignorance.

Try understanding "IT" before condemning "IT".

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Me4Him,

It looks as if you have determined the "End"
began in 1948 and will terminate by or before
the year 2018.

Every one who has set exact dates has been
found wrong. I find no proof that "the end"
for "this generation" began in 1948 nor that
it must end by the year 2018.

Can you prove the following: A "generation"
must be limited exactly to 70 years?

The weight of evidence is against the setting
of exact dates even if it could be proved
"this generation" was meant by Jesus to begin
in 1948!!

Thanks
Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

I "DID NOT" write those "prophecies", I only showed what the "scriptures say".

"WHY" do you think the "parables of the fig trees" was written so "identical" that few have notice the difference between them, "HIS/HER" Branch??

The reason, the interpretation of one is the same for the other.

Have you read Matt 22, the "king made a wedding for his son"?? (his branch)

Mt 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them (JEWS) that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Mt 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

It was prophecied that the generation of "His branch" would not pass, how long does scripture say is a generation and "WHAT" year was it that Roman destroyed Jerusalem, and cast down the "stones of the temple", 70 AD??

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; (70 years)

"DID" the prophecy of "HIS Branch" occur "exactly as prophecied"???

What makes you think the prophecy of "HER Branch, "WON'T"???

And it can happen anytime between now and 2012, Scripture doesn't leaves us "in the dark" as much as some would like, many aren't looking forward to it.

Scripture requires "TWO WITNESS" to confirm a matter, but here we have "THREE" prophecies all focusing on the same "time frame".

Any "reasonable person" would be getting a "crick in neck", from "looking up".

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:

The weight of evidence is against the setting
of exact dates even if it could be proved
"this generation" was meant by Jesus to begin
in 1948!!

Thanks
Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

HER BRANCH. Israel restored as a "NATION".
May 14, 1948

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Day and hour is a "exact date", but what about "Week", Month" or even "year"??

Suppose I told you that in that statement Jesus "ACTUALLY" referred to the "General time" it would occur.

All events in the NT, "SO FAR", have occurred on the "exact dates" given for the feast days in "Lev 23".

Can you, or anyone else, give me a reason the rapture should not occur during it's "corresponding" feast dates, Feast of trumpets??

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

This "Feast" is from the 1-10th day of the "seventh month" on the Jewish calendar, around last "Sept-Oct" on our's.


The "Feast of trumpets" marks the end/beginning of the year, but since Israel calendar doesn't match the lunar cycle and they want to begin the New year on the "NEW MOON", they wait until "TWO WITNESSES" appear before the sanhedren bearing witness to the "NEW MOON", and no one knows the exact "DAY AND HOUR" this will occur from year to year.

MOON=An assemble of God's people, Jew/Gentile, i.e Church
old Moon=Rapture church
New Moon=Israel preaching the gospel
Two witnesses=Moses/Elijah
New year=start of Daniel's 70th week.

Understanding the "FEAST" is paramount to understanding the scripture/prophecy.

There's considerably more information in the scriptures than many realize.

 

[Me4Him]

THE BIBLE MADE EASY

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Me4Him

Bad, bad, bad chart!

Your theory of lunar cycles of moon relate with rapture & coming, are terrible logical! Bible doesn't support your guesswork & logical.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
Me4Him

Bad, bad, bad chart!

Your theory of lunar cycles of moon relate with rapture & coming, are terrible logical! Bible doesn't support your guesswork & logical.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

The only thing "ignorance proves is ignorance".

The Bible is a very "SIMPLE" and straight forward book, manifested here in the "Phyical world" by the "Systems" of this world.

Man plants a "SEED" in the earth for "natural bread", God planted one for "Spiritual bread".

Jesus is the "HEAD" of his bride the church, man is the head of "his bride", wife.

And the list goes on and on, and it holds true for the "Seven day week" we use, six days of work another day of rest, Mill reign.

The big difference in my charts and your "Theory" is that I don't "OMIT" any scripture, I don't have to tear out the parts of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Hebrew, all of which describe the "Seventh day of rest".

You, like many, have decided to believe "Something" you've been taught, heard or read without ever confirming it with the "Holy Ghost", your "FAITH" is in a "church doctrine" for the truth rather than the "Holy Ghost".

Forget "EVERYTHING" you've ever learned, be "HUMBLE" enough to believe "White is Black" if the Spirit says so, ask the "HOLY GHOST" to teach/show you the truth, you'll find the bible to be a different book than what you've been reading.

The Bible is a book not taught in the "Head", but in the "Heart", chasing word numbering games back to Hebrew/Geek won't reveal their meaning, only when you have a "FEELING" for what is being said, can you understand the true meaning of the words,

and that "FEELING" is the "SPIRIT IN THE HEART".

In my "HEART", I've known somethings to be wrong long before I possessed the "head knowledge" to prove them wrong, that's the way the spirit works.

The same day any thinks they've got it all figured out, become "Dogmatic", and don't need any more instructions, is the same day they become a "FOOL".

 

[LadyEagle]

I have believed for many years that it is "possible and highly likely" that the Rapture could occur during Rosh Hashana (Feast of the Trumpets).

 

[Linda64]

LadyEagle--
That's an awesome chart!! I used to think that the Rapture would be the fulfillment of Trumpets/Rosh Hashanna, but those feasts are feasts of Israel, not the Church. Nothing has to precede the Rapture, it is imminent--it can come at any moment (tonight would be a good night!!)

When you look for the Rapture to come at Trumpets/Rosh Hashanna, which we know always falls in Sept/Oct., then we can fall into the trap of setting dates. So I just simply look for Christ's return FOR the Church, at any moment (1 Thess.4:13-18; 1 Cor.15:51-54)

 

[LadyEagle]

You are correct, of course, Linda. And not to debate the point, but just a thought:

Matthew 25:[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

 

[Linda64]

AMEN LadyEagle!! Maranatha--Our Lord Comes!!

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. (Revelation 22:20-21)

 

[Mel Miller]

LadyEagle,

Your quotation of Matt.25:13, like that of 24:36
is referring to the Day and Hour that Christ is
coming "after the great tribulation". It could
be any one of the 3 1/2 days while the Two
Witnesses are lying dead in Jerusalem.

You do NOT believe that Matt.24:15-46 refers to
the time duiring which the Church will "know
the end is near" since no one can know His
coming is Near until the abomination sits in
the Temple.

Therefore it seems you cannot argue for an
"any-moment" rapture based on Matt.24:36.

Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net