And there is not a single verse that says Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. It should thus be clear why PSA was not held for 1500 years.
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And there is not a single verse that says Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. It should thus be clear why PSA was not held for 1500 years.
Charles Stanley says that God punished Jesus, poured out His wrath on Jesus, and killed him for our sin debt. Maybe that's where he got it from. Oh, hold on -- Charles Stanley didn't author a book in the Bible.
You just presented Christus Victor and Recapitulation.
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us.
I don't recall that happening to anyone else.
Deuteronomy 21:23. 'For He that is hanged on a tree is accursed of God.'
Galatians 3:13. ''Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree)."'
1 Peter 2:24. 'He himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree.'
Now join the dots. He that hangs on a tree is cursed by God. Christ hangs on a tree. Therefore............
"Yes, but only criminals and sinners are sentenced to hang!" 'And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
Isaiah 53:10. 'For it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.'
I came across this quotation the other day.
'Not all the vials of judgement that have or shall be poured out upon the wicked world, nor the flaming furnace of a sinner's conscience, nor the irrevocable sentence pronounced against the rebellious demons, nor the groans of damned creatures, give such a demonstration of God's hatred of sin, as the wrath let loose upon His Son. Never did Divine holiness appear more beautiful and lovely than at the time our Saviour's countenance was most marred in the midst of His dying groans. This He Himself acknowledges in Psalm 22. When God had turned His smiling face from Him, and thrust His sharp knife into His heart, which forced that terrible cry from Him, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?" He adores this perfection: "Thou art holy" (Psalm 22:3). [Puritan Stephen Charnock]
Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” (Luke 24:44 ESV)
[1] Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
[2] For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
[3] He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
[8] By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
[9] And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
[10] Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
[11] Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
[12] Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors. (ESV)
[1] Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
[2] For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
[3] He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
[8] By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
[9] And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
[10] Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
[11] Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
[12] Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors. (ESV)
Regeneration has an aspect of something once living having died is again living.
For the believer, the "regeneration" isn't a dead body made alive, but one who is a "new creature" given a new spirit, a new will, and eventually a new body.
The question as it relates to Christ, because He was already alive and in complete fellowship wit the Father, at the resurrection was He presented a new - anything? No, His body was made alive and raised from the dead. He was not a "new creature."
So in the purest sense, Christ's body was "regenerated" were believers are completely "generated."
Under Mosaic Law, (If I recall the terms of the matter correctly) they would be unclean and not be able to participate in that year's festivities and in particular the Passover.
However, if they recognized the Passover lamb as being the Christ, then in their own thinking the festivities and in particular the Passover would become a time of "rememberance" sort of like our "Lord's supper."
Yes,
From eternity past, the Christ had a unique and unbroken fellowship with the Father. "I and the Father are one," (John 10:30) and "...no one knows the Father except the Son, and no one knows the Son except the Father..." (Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22) .
The relationship was that of the Son doing all that the Father ask and was supported by the Father. (John 14:24) and (John 5:30).
When the time of the Crucifixion arrived, Isaiah presents the the Father (Lord) laid upon Him (Christ) the iniquity of us all, and Psalms 22 gives insight into the thoughts of our Christ at the point of being on the Cross. The Father had withdrawn the support from the unique fellowship and Christ endured the crucifixion as one forsaken (alone, unsupported). The Father did not abandon the Son, but did not support the Son. The Father no longer protected, nurtured, communicated with, and sustained the Son.
Two reasons come to mind, though there may certainly be others, also.
The first was that reflected at the raising of Lazerus by Martha. "Lord, by now he stinks!" (John 11:39)
It puts to rest those that would say that Christ only fainted or passed out on the Cross, and needed some recuperative sleep.
The second was it was a sign. "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again" (John 2:19, Matthew 26:61) and "sign of Jonah" (Matthew 12:39, Luke 11:39)
I don't see evidence of a purity or clean in relation to how long Christ was entombed, but maybe others will offer better insight.
It is interesting, that the Early Church baptism was three immersions under the water - signifying the three days, the one baptized was nude - signifying the new birth (as a child enters with nothing), and the one baptized was given new clothing - signifying clothed in His righteousness, alone.
So, perhaps in the baptism, the symbolism might suggest to the believers a cleansing, but not to the Christ. He was never "unclean, impure" to be needing "cleaned, purified."
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This shows a commonality between brethren. Had you denied this passage you would have denied Christianity. All believers throughout history have affirmed this truth. And you do well to point it out.
Thanks for going back to the OP instead of trying to prove Penal Substitution Theory.
Amen.
This shows a commonality between brethren. Had you denied this passage you would have denied Christianity. All believers throughout history have affirmed this truth. And you do well to point it out.
Thanks for going back to the OP instead of trying to prove Penal Substitution Theory.
Not my words, but Scriptures:
"Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins." (Hebrews 9:22)
"I lay down my life..." (John 10:17)
Yet, you would think that I used my own "terms" and that they are not yours?
I don't understand.
How are the Scriptures restated in my post to validate what you said, not also your own terms?
This is true.God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us.
I don't recall that happening to anyone else.
God placed jesus there on the Cross, and Jesus agreed to that to be done!
Those who reject our views in regards to this just seem to get really stuck at God wrath being placed upon Christ for our sake, as they seem to see it as not being fair or right!
God Himself was doing all of that listed here by you unto Jesus, and not just sinful man!
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