Babies destroyed for science

[JustChristian]

Because what ever happened we should not participate in this destruction of life.

We wouldn't be doing that. The destruction had already been finished. This is like being an organ donar. If we're dying we can still help someone else live.

 

[Revmitchell]

We wouldn't be doing that. The destruction had already been finished.

Whether before or after it is still participation.

 

[JustChristian]

Whether before or after it is still participation.

So you don't support organ donation?

 

[Revmitchell]

So you don't support organ donation?

If murder of people who can donate organs became legal I would oppose it in that case.

 

[Spinach]

While I am also sickened by the practice, I wonder more if of the OP was looking for a fight. You can state your case without condemning everyone else. I stand in judgement of no man. I'll let God take care of all of that. I was reading in Romans the other day about judging. It said to not judge, because we will all stand before Christ's judgement. I'd rather stand up for what I believe in, but leave the judgemental attitude out of it.

To each their own, though.

 

[blackbird]

While I am also sickened by the practice, I wonder more if of the OP was looking for a fight. You can state your case without condemning everyone else. I stand in judgement of no man. I'll let God take care of all of that. I was reading in Romans the other day about judging. It said to not judge, because we will all stand before Christ's judgement. I'd rather stand up for what I believe in, but leave the judgemental attitude out of it.

To each their own, though.

Where in Romans does it say to not judge??

 

[targus]

My belief is that this isn't true. If a couple decides to murder embryos by getting involved in In Vietro Fertilization that has already been done. These embryos are going to be "discarded." Why not use them for life saving research instead of the trash can?

Let's use that logic in a different situation...

If China uses child slave labor to make cheap goods why not buy them since they have already been made - instead of letting them just pile up in a warehouse where they won't do anyone any good?

That doesn't seem right does it?

You see if you operate from a core set of values and principles you can apply them to any situation to determine right from wrong. It is a much more reliable system to operate on than just going by your emotions or personal wishes.

 

[Spinach]

Where in Romans does it say to not judge??

Romans 14, specifically verse 10.

 

[tinytim]

While I am also sickened by the practice, I wonder more if of the OP was looking for a fight. You can state your case without condemning everyone else. I stand in judgement of no man. I'll let God take care of all of that. I was reading in Romans the other day about judging. It said to not judge, because we will all stand before Christ's judgement. I'd rather stand up for what I believe in, but leave the judgemental attitude out of it.

To each their own, though.

Please show me where I condemned anyone...
Here is what I said...

I want to personally think each of you that voted to put that evil man in for President of the US...

Because of YOUR vote.. babies can now be destroyed to further science.

YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF.

I hope that all of you that support this evil man, have sorrow in your soul for the lives that will be lost because of his atrocious acts as our abortion loving president....

It sickened me to see all those leaders... like pelosi laughing and clapping as Mr Obortion signed in to law a decree from his highness to destroy human life.

May God have mercy on our Country...

I will now break it down.. line by line.. and show you statements of fact...NOT Judgment.

I want to personally think each of you that voted to put that evil man in for President of the US...

Besides mispelling "Thank"...
Anyone that voted for Obama, put him in office. He IS an evil man. That may be a judgment.. but it is based on his actions.. He supports abortion rights... which means he supports murder.. which means he is evil... I don't make that judgment.. God already did in His word. Specifically.. the 10 commandments...
And according to
Romans 1:32
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Anyone that has pleasure in those doing wrong are just as guilty as the ones doing wrong... so when lawmakers vote their pocketbook instead of their morals.. they are just as guilty.

On to the second line...

Because of YOUR vote.. babies can now be destroyed to further science.

That is also a statement of fact... If people would have voted for a prolife candidate that was against embryonic stem cell use... the bill would never had been signed. Because Obama would not have been in office. He would not have had the chance to sign it.
It would have been different if Obama hadn't told everyone what he was going to do.... but he ran on a pro abortion platform... Everyone that voted for him knew he was going to do this...
One thing about Obama... at least he is truthful.. every thing he is doing to destroy Christian values in our nation, he told us he would do...

On to 3rd line...

YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF.

Hey.. while that is sarcastic.. .if a person can't be proud of their vote.. they shouldn't cast it.

4th line...

I hope that all of you that support this evil man, have sorrow in your soul for the lives that will be lost because of his atrocious acts as our abortion loving president....

And I do... But this is not judgment... WE all should have sorrow in our souls for the babies that are killed... I DO... and I hope Obama supporters do also...

Now what I am about to say MAY sound judgmental... but..
IF someone who calls themself "Christian" does not sorrow for babies lost from abortion... then they need to check their salvation.
Jesus said that good fruit and bad fruit cannot come from the same tree..
So JESUS passed the judgment...
If a person can one day, let's say on Sunday... stand and say, "praise God".. then on Monday, say, "I'm for murdering babies"... they are not saved.
I am not passing Judgment... JUST THE GOSPEL FACTS ACCORDING TO JESUS.

5th line...

It sickened me to see all those leaders... like pelosi laughing and clapping as Mr Obortion signed in to law a decree from his highness to destroy human life.

That is just me revealing MY feelings... no judgment there... It reminded me of the pictures I saw on 9-11 of the Iraqi civilians clapping and laughing as they were watching the towers fall... it sickened me.

And since our president has been called the "abortion president" by the press.. I have no problem calling him Mr. Obortion.

finally...

May God have mercy on our Country...

That is a heartfelt prayer..
Because if he doesn't, our country is in trouble.

NOW.. call me judgmental all you want.. but the facts remain...
If people didn't vote for Obama...
Obama would not be president.
He would not have had a chance to sign a law that opens the door for killing babies.

The facts of God's word also stands true...
"Thou shalt not murder"
Abortion is murder (ex. 21)
Those who support murder are evil.
Those who derive pleasure from evil are just as guilty (Romans 1)

That is not passing judgment..
That is revealing the Word of God.

The one thing I am called to do in this life, since God called me to be a preacher.

This is what preachers do... we reveal what the Word of God says...
We reveal sin, in hopes that people will turn from their sin to God for mercy and grace.

A preacher that is afraid to preach against sin because he is afraid he will be called judgmental.. is a coward...

OOOOPs.. I just made a judgment call.:saint:

 

[Spinach]

You can justify it. That's fine. I see it as that you were not just bringing up a political issue. You chose instead to use the issue to slam others. It is my opinion, but because it is off topic, I will drop out of the discussion.

To be honest, Brother Tim, I agree with you on a great many things, but I don't like this attitude.

With that, I wish you all the best.

 

[rbell]

Why isn't that obvious from my posts? Yes I oppose in vietro fertilization. However, if there are frozen embryos that have been produced by this ungodly process, I support using them to aid in finding new cures for diseases rather than being discarded (murdered).

Creating a market for murdered fetuses is not "less evil" than throwing away murdered fetuses. Both are abominations. If anything...creating the market for dead babies is more problematic...because it mollifies the guilt of those participating in it..."oh, it's sad...but at least the dead children went to a good cause." Don't you see how revolting that is? Don't you get that there is no justification for such? When we even hint at "the end justifies the means" kind of reasoning, we're in the biggest trouble imaginable.

By the way...when president Obama justifies this abomination by saying, "I speak for the majority of all Americans," it simply magnifies the lack of, er, a pair of "reinforcements" in his moral fiber. If the majority is "for it," (which I doubt is true), then we must "do it." Who cares if it's wrong? Majority rules...

(Which, BTW, is the reason I bristle whenever anyone refers to the USA as a "democracy.")

 

[rbell]

We wouldn't be doing that. The destruction had already been finished. This is like being an organ donar. If we're dying we can still help someone else live.

Oh, good grief.

Please tell me you comprehend the difference between a clear-thinking adult agreeing to become an organ donor, and a murdered child being put into the "market" for his/her parts...

Please tell me you see that fundamental difference.

 

[OldRegular]

Creating a market for murdered fetuses is not "less evil" than throwing away murdered fetuses. Both are abominations. If anything...creating the market for dead babies is more problematic...because it mollifies the guilt of those participating in it..."oh, it's sad...but at least the dead children went to a good cause." Don't you see how revolting that is? Don't you get that there is no justification for such? When we even hint at "the end justifies the means" kind of reasoning, we're in the biggest trouble imaginable.

By the way...when president Obama justifies this abomination by saying, "I speak for the majority of all Americans," it simply magnifies the lack of, er, a pair of "reinforcements" in his moral fiber. If the majority is "for it," (which I doubt is true), then we must "do it." Who cares if it's wrong? Majority rules...

(Which, BTW, is the reason I bristle whenever anyone refers to the USA as a "democracy.")

If we are murdering babies to harvest body parts how long will it be before healthy adults are murdered for their body parts? I have heard rumors that this is happening in other countries but can't say for sure.

 

[LadyEagle]

If we are murdering babies to harvest body parts how long will it be before healthy adults are murdered for their body parts? I have heard rumors that this is happening in other countries but can't say for sure.

Yes, it has been happening in China for years - political prisoners (meaning Christians) are executed for their body parts to be sold on the black market.

Also, I read when the Taliban ruled in Afghanistan, they would kidnap children and murder them for their body parts. Probably if someone Googled, they could come up with more info and where it is happening in other countries.

Maybe JC and those of that mindset would like to volunteer to "help a good cause?"

 

[Debby in Philly]

I am a diabetic. I would rather die early from diabetes than know that my life was extended by murder.

So am I, and I agree.

 

[windcatcher]

We wouldn't be doing that. The destruction had already been finished. This is like being an organ donar. If we're dying we can still help someone else live.

On this you are in error. If all fertilized eggs are not implanted, they can be saved for implanting later. If a couple chooses not to use all the fertilized eggs which were harvested, they can opt to give them to another couple who is having trouble conceiving. Destruction isn't necessary in every case. To justify embryonic stem cell research on this false argument is like looking for ways to make killing people......in this case, babies..... or those which could become babies..... alright. It is so all -wrong that nothing can ever make it all-right!:tear:

 

[tinytim]

I just had a brain storm...

IF it is possible to clone...
Why not clone stem cells?..

NOT humans.. but Just the stem cells?

 

[JustChristian]

Creating a market for murdered fetuses is not "less evil" than throwing away murdered fetuses. Both are abominations. If anything...creating the market for dead babies is more problematic...because it mollifies the guilt of those participating in it..."oh, it's sad...but at least the dead children went to a good cause." Don't you see how revolting that is? Don't you get that there is no justification for such? When we even hint at "the end justifies the means" kind of reasoning, we're in the biggest trouble imaginable.

By the way...when president Obama justifies this abomination by saying, "I speak for the majority of all Americans," it simply magnifies the lack of, er, a pair of "reinforcements" in his moral fiber. If the majority is "for it," (which I doubt is true), then we must "do it." Who cares if it's wrong? Majority rules...

(Which, BTW, is the reason I bristle whenever anyone refers to the USA as a "democracy.")

So you believe that couples who use In Vietro fertilization are murders. Right?

 

[windcatcher]

So you believe that couples who use In Vietro fertilization are murders. Right?

JC, please read post #76 and then stop this silly game.

You are trying to justify embryonic stem cell research which does 'murder' the innocent

and you are indiscriminantly calling other's 'murderers'.










Invitro fertilization does not mean that fertilized cells must be 'wasted' or 'destroyed'. They can be adopted out to other infertile couples. Any which are implanted but are miscarried can be attributed to the will of God. A miscarrage is not the same as abortion...... as any mother who's been pregnant and lost a child will tell you..... As happened to my neice and her husband just last week....just a few weeks into their first pregnancy:tear: !

 

[JustChristian]

Oh, good grief.

Please tell me you comprehend the difference between a clear-thinking adult agreeing to become an organ donor, and a murdered child being put into the "market" for his/her parts...

Please tell me you see that fundamental difference.

So you think the Christian decision should be to trash these embryos rather than make use of them for research to find cures for various diseases? I don't understand that.