Babies in Hell?

[whatever]

Originally posted by Paul33:
It is not God's will that any perish. Satan destroys lives. That's not God's will and never has been.

I shouldn't ask this, but ...

Why does God allow things to happen that are against His will?

 

[Paul33]

Originally posted by Helen:
JD, we are seeing some of that happening here. Big burly truck drivers who want to come to Bible study. We'll be starting one for them. Some convicted (now on parole) sex offenders who want a place to go to church (we will be providing services for them and Bible studies). Students whose parents are atheists and they see where it leads...

some of the strangest people from some of the strangest backgrounds are almost literally showing up on our doorstep. We are getting involved with an outreach ministry and a store front operation that will look more like a cafe. We'll have tutoring for college and high school kids, Bible studies, fellowship groups, services. It will not be a Sunday only place. We're opening mid May and I'm really excited about it. The association is American Baptist, but the ministry itself is not going to be denominationally-tied, if that makes sense. We are wanting people who want the Lord to have a way to get to Him however and whenever we can help them. So many people are wanting the truth now...so many are wanting healing from the sorrow and death in the world.

Yes, God is using all of it. Romans 8:28.

Helen,

What a fabulous ministry. Blessings. My prayers are with you.

I am involved with a church plant right now. So many hurting people.

 

[Paul33]

Originally posted by whatever:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Paul33:
It is not God's will that any perish. Satan destroys lives. That's not God's will and never has been.

I shouldn't ask this, but ...

Why does God allow things to happen that are against His will? </font>[/QUOTE]Is it God's will that I sin? No.
Do I sin? Yes.

Is it God's will that I am a free moral agent? Yes.
Do I exercise my will to sin? Yes.

Somewhere the answer you are looking for is bound up in these questions.

 

[whatever]

Yep, it's in there all right. Here are a couple more questions.

Could God stop you from sinning?
If He could then why doesn't He?

It's as if He has some other will that is stronger than His will that we not sin. But what?

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcia:
How would Satan know the babies go to heaven? He has no way of knowing that; maybe that's why God is not clear on it in the Bible.

The Bible does not tell us what Satan does or does not know. Therefore, I am curious—where did you get this information about Satan?

</font>[/QUOTE]Craig, I didn't say Satan doesn't know. I said how would he know? He could only know this if God allowed him to know and it does not make sense to me that God would allow Satan to know that. I was just using logic and throwing in my view.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by whatever:
Yep, it's in there all right. Here are a couple more questions.

Could God stop you from sinning?
If He could then why doesn't He?

My 2 cents on this:
1. Probably only by letting me die.
2. No need to answer this.

God wants us to love him freely, and only when we love Him through knowing Christ do we even know whow much He hates sin and only then do we have the desire to try to stop sinning.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Originally posted by Marcia:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcia:
How would Satan know the babies go to heaven? He has no way of knowing that; maybe that's why God is not clear on it in the Bible.

The Bible does not tell us what Satan does or does not know. Therefore, I am curious—where did you get this information about Satan?

</font>[/QUOTE]Craig, I didn't say Satan doesn't know. I said how would he know? He could only know this if God allowed him to know and it does not make sense to me that God would allow Satan to know that. I was just using logic and throwing in my view. </font>[/QUOTE]You also wrote, in the same post quoted above,

He has no way of knowing that

 

[saturneptune]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea Therefore, I am curious—where did you get this information about Satan?


You are very well founded in saying that Satan cannot know the destiny of an individual any more than we can. Satan is a created being. (duh) He is not all powerful, nor can he be all places at once. Satan can tempt, but he cannot know our minds or tell the future, he cannot do anything without God's permission. Satan is a tool of Gods purposes. Satan cannot know the salvation of a soul without God allowing such. We are not tempted beyond what we can bear, so God protects us in that with with faith in Him.

Craig, I would suggest you read Job 1 and maybe instead of worrying about Greek and Hebrew shadings, treat the Bible as the Word of the Living God, and not a science book.

 

[Marcia]

Craig, to clarify my statement: There is no evidence or information from the Bible and from what we know about Satan that indicates he knows who is in heaven.

Satisfied?

 

[Craigbythesea]

Originally posted by Marcia:
Craig, to clarify my statement: There is no evidence or information from the Bible and from what we know about Satan that indicates he knows who is in heaven.

Satisfied?

And there is no evidence or information from the Bible and from what we know about Satan that indicates that He does not know who is in heaven.

 

[Rev. Lowery]

Craig cant saturneptune he doesnt believe in the Bible its all a work of man for finacial and political gain.....BTW God, Jesus, and The Holy Ghost are in Heaven along with the Angels..Satan knows this. Those that have trusted in Christ are in first Heaven till the judgement, I am sure Satan knows who is saved and who is not. So, if he knows who is saved then I would assume he knows who goes to Heaven.

 

[David Singleton]

Matthew 19 (14) But Jesus said, Suffer little children and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Is God truly so merciless that He would condemn an infant, or a small child that doesnt know or understand the cocept of good and evil, right and wrong? Does this fit the image of a Loving and forgiving God? If the Catholics are teaching this, it reinforces my belief that they are idiots one and all.

 

[saturneptune]

in reference to last post, add Craig to last sentence

 

[Me4Him]

When I was "growing up" (50's) my GMother always said if the adults aren't saved then God would take the Children, but either way, God would have his kingdom "full".

Abortion is allowed because Adults aren't saved and the Children are being taken to full the Kingdom.

She also said every times a child went to heaven under these condition, the child was taking the place of an adult who could have gone.

It's because "Adults" are unsaved and support the "laws of Hell" that abortion/evil prevails, Children die.

If Adults supported the "laws of God", then both Adults/Children could go to heaven.

But as you can see, either way, God's Kingdom will be "full", whatever that number may be.

Remember, my Gmother's "prophecy" was about 15-20 years before abortion.

 

[Petrel]

Ugh. We need to fill quota, so let's get some more kids killed? This does not appeal to me.

 

[Helen]

Me4Him, your grandmother was entirely wrong. God does not use the means of murder to justify the ends of His Kingdom's population count!

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Helen:
Me4Him, your grandmother was entirely wrong. God does not use the means of murder to justify the ends of His Kingdom's population count!

You, (mankind) only sees the death of a child, God "SEES" another soul "in heaven".

God made Man from "DUST", (flesh) then told satan he would eat "DUST".

"FLESH" is "Satan's "bread of life" in the same sense "Jesus's body" is our "Bread of life".

This is why Satan, as a roaring lion, "DEVOURS" flesh.

The "FLESH" doesn't mean anything to God, like the earth, it is only "Temporal", but "SOULS" live "forever", and it's that "FOREVER" that God is concerned about.

 

[TaterTot]

God doesnt need man for anything!!! Especially not to kill babies to populate His Heaven. That makes His will dependant upon human action, and His will is dependant on nothing.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by TaterTot:
God doesnt need man for anything!!! Especially not to kill babies to populate His Heaven. That makes His will dependant upon human action, and His will is dependant on nothing.

Does God kill babies or Man??

Whether Adults are saved and go to heaven or become "devils" and kill children, God still REAPS souls, either way.

I am surprised to learn that ya'll don't know that regardless of which route man takes, God still reaps souls.

 

[TaterTot]

We know that, ME4Him. This is what bothered me.

Originally posted by Me4Him:
When I was "growing up" (50's) my GMother always said if the adults aren't saved then God would take the Children, but either way, God would have his kingdom "full".

Abortion is allowed because Adults aren't saved and the Children are being taken to full the Kingdom.

She also said every times a child went to heaven under these condition, the child was taking the place of an adult who could have gone...
Remember, my Gmother's "prophecy" was about 15-20 years before abortion.

There is no scripture anywhere to prove that point. He needs us for nothing.