Baby shower for an unwed mother

[webdog]

I guess you are having a hard time reading today. Let me post it for you again:

With a married couple to woman becames with child through God's Grace and through His prescribed methods. That is something to celebrate.

Celebrating that someone is with child and that they became with way through God's prescribed methods, i.e. sex within marriage.

If you want to say that we should celebrate any person that becomes with child or obtains a child, then certainly you think we should celebrate when a woman is raped or a homosexual couple adopts a child or, heck, even if someone abducts a child. Doesn't the child abductor need essential supplies?!

Fact remains a baby shower is not a celebration of how the child is conceived...so therefore your stance is faulty.

 

[DHK]

Here's a novel idea. How about the church not giving showers for anyone? Why not leave the shower giving up to the friends and family of the showeree and leave the church out of it? The church can still give a gift of needed items to an unwed mother if she needs anything. This would be sharing God's love without any chance of it seeming like sin was being celebrated. Just a thought.

I agree Amy. The friends and family are usually from the church anyway. Our church is like a family. Even the newly saved find our church more like a family where the people are friendly to them. It isn't the church, per se, that that throws a party (birthday, anniversary, shower, etc.,); it is the planning of one or two friends of the person involved.

 

[corndogggy]

Ok, here you go... artificial insemination. The girl didn't sin, isn't gay, but is unmarried. Does she get a shower? :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Ok, here you go... artificial insemination. The girl didn't sin, isn't gay, but is unmarried. Does she get a shower? :laugh:

That's just gross.

 

[corndogggy]

It happens.

 

[Amy.G]

It happens.

It's still gross.

I gave my opinion. No showers for anybody. The church should stay out of it.

I don't think it's the church's job to give parties. It's the church's job to help those in need.

 

[thegospelgeek]

Here's a novel idea. How about the church not giving showers for anyone? Why not leave the shower giving up to the friends and family of the showeree and leave the church out of it? The church can still give a gift of needed items to an unwed mother if she needs anything. This would be sharing God's love without any chance of it seeming like sin was being celebrated. Just a thought.

A good idea from Amy (as expected). But I have seen cases where the girl does not have any family in the church and gets little to no support from the family that she does have. In reality this is the case for most of the teens I minister too. I think a little help from the Church and an expression of love from those in the Church is not only correct but required. It is not a celabration of the sin. Nor is it a celebration of any kind. Just showing a little of Christ love to someone who needs it.

Makes me think of the Catsing crowns song "Does anybody see her?" A song inspired by a true story that happens way too often in our churches.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

It's still gross.

I gave my opinion. No showers for anybody. The church should stay out of it.

I don't think it's the church's job to give parties. It's the church's job to help those in need.

In the ancient world the churches were very much a part of peoples everyday lives. Christians would go out to the barren places to find discarded babies (because of flaws) and rescue them and feed them. They would support widows and people with out means. They held all sorts of celebrations. They acted like a union and were very involved. It wasn't just a place to go. These people were very interconnected. what happened?

 

[webdog]

It's still gross.

I gave my opinion. No showers for anybody. The church should stay out of it.

I don't think it's the church's job to give parties. It's the church's job to help those in need.

Istn't that what a shower is?

 

[annsni]

Honestly, I don't know of any "church" that throws showers - but they are the location for many of them. Usually it is friends or family who throw the shower. Our church has even thrown a shower for our local crisis pregnancy center so they can build up some supplies for the young moms.

 

[Amy.G]

In the ancient world the churches were very much a part of peoples everyday lives. Christians would go out to the barren places to find discarded babies (because of flaws) and rescue them and feed them. They would support widows and people with out means. They held all sorts of celebrations. They acted like a union and were very involved. It wasn't just a place to go. These people were very interconnected. what happened?

That was my point when I said "help those in need", but what does it have to do with baby showers in the tradition that we do them in this country?

 

[thegospelgeek]

Honestly, I don't know of any "church" that throws showers - but they are the location for many of them. Usually it is friends or family who throw the shower. Our church has even thrown a shower for our local crisis pregnancy center so they can build up some supplies for the young moms.

Even thow the 'Church" does not hold the shower, if the pastor's wife or someone who works with the teens hold such an event it would be percieved by bystanders as being held by "The Church".

We do throw showers for a home for unwed mothers. However it is a bit different than the typical "Baby Shower" as none of the mothers are in attendance as the home is several states away.

 

[Amy.G]

Istn't that what a shower is?

No. A shower is a party held for an expectant mother or a bride in which they receive gifts. I've been to enough showers to know they are parties.

Contributing to the needs of others isn't a party. We have a food pantry at our church and give food to anyone who asks, but we don't buy fresh flowers and cake and sandwiches and play games when we give out food. We don't give them a food shower. Surely you can see the difference.

 

[webdog]

No. A shower is a party held for an expectant mother or a bride in which they receive gifts. I've been to enough showers to know they are parties.

Contributing to the needs of others isn't a party. We have a food pantry at our church and give food to anyone who asks, but we don't buy fresh flowers and cake and sandwiches and play games when we give out food. We don't give them a food shower. Surely you can see the difference.

The purpose of a shower isn't the party, it is to provide for mom and baby. That is why mom does a baby registry so those who attend know what mom needs. The fact that those who throw the shower make it a fun party event doesn't mean this is the sole purpose of a baby shower.

 

[rbell]

Here's a novel idea. How about the church not giving showers for anyone? Why not leave the shower giving up to the friends and family of the showeree and leave the church out of it? The church can still give a gift of needed items to an unwed mother if she needs anything. This would be sharing God's love without any chance of it seeming like sin was being celebrated. Just a thought.

Or another, radical idea: why don't we recognize this is a liberty issue, and as long as the sin is addressed, then it becomes a matter of local church autonomy?

 

[Amy.G]

Or another, radical idea: why don't we recognize this is a liberty issue, and as long as the sin is addressed, then it becomes a matter of local church autonomy?

Good point.

 

[rbell]

Good point.

Of course...then what would we fight about???

:laugh:

oh...music, versions, Calvinism, Arminianism, End Times, Casseroles, Drinking, Pants-wearing,

Never mind. I have a list.

 

[Amy.G]

Of course...then what would we fight about???

:laugh:

oh...music, versions, Calvinism, Arminianism, End Times, Casseroles, Drinking, Pants-wearing,

Never mind. I have a list.

Casseroles! I don't think I've been in casserole fight yet. I like them. Anyone who doesn't is a heretic. How's that for starters?

 

[matt wade]

Ok, here you go... artificial insemination. The girl didn't sin, isn't gay, but is unmarried. Does she get a shower? :laugh:

No shower. Unmarried woman looking to bring a child into this world without a father. It's sin and shouldn't be celebrated.

Since I answer your questions, why don't you answer mine instead of dodging them? Does the homosexual couple get a shower or not?

 

[corndogggy]

No shower. Unmarried woman looking to bring a child into this world without a father. It's sin and shouldn't be celebrated.

If artificial insemination by a single woman is obviously a sin, it should be easily found in the bible. Why not show this to us?

Since I answer your questions, why don't you answer mine instead of dodging them? Does the homosexual couple get a shower or not?

I already made a more than adequate post immediately after you asked, don't feel like repeating just because you're too lazy to read it the first time.