Babylon The Great Is A Murderous, Presumptuous Regime With A Global Reach

[Zog Has-fallen]

I agree Cain represents apostasy and Christian Zionism is NOT exempt but then again neither is Islamic Jihadism.

Christian Zionism is a relatively recent, unquestionably apostate version of true Christian faith. Islam is the religion of Muhammad, based on purported communications to him by the archangel Gabriel, not the corruption of a preexisting religion.

 

[HankD]

Christian Zionism is a relatively recent, unquestionably apostate version of true Christian faith. Islam is the religion of Muhammad, based on purported communications to him by the archangel Gabriel, not the corruption of a preexisting religion.

What does that mater ZHF, is Islam a false religion or not?

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

What does that mater ZHF, is Islam a false religion or not?

There is no question in my mind that Islam is a false religion. More importantly, what matters on the topic of spiritual Babylon and her identity is what Biblical revelation specifies. Biblical symbolism is being used. In Revelation 17, Babylon is represented as a woman. Clearly, a virtuous woman, when used symbolically in Scripture, represents a pure church and a vile woman represents an apostate church. I have already cited Ezekiel 16 and Isaiah 1:21 to support my claim. And the symbolism is overwhelmingly obvious in meaning and consistent.

For example:

In the Bible, the sacred and enduring character of the relation that exists between Christ and His church is represented by the union of marriage. The Lord has joined His people to Himself by a solemn covenant, He promising to be their God, and they pledging themselves to be His and His alone. He declares: "I will betroth thee unto Me forever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in loving-kindness, and in mercies." Hosea 2:19. And, again: "I am married unto you." Jeremiah 3:14. And Paul employs the same figure in the New Testament when he says: "I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:2.

 

[robycop3]

I believe the 2nd Babylon is Rome, Italy, the RCC, the harlot of Rev. 17. After all, the RCC holds some of the parts of the old mystery, Babylon religion of Nimrod & Semiramis, such as "queena hevvin", with Mary replacing Semiramis in that role(Not by Mary's will, of course), purgatory, indulgences, man-made saints, prayers to the dead, etc.

 

[HankD]

I believe the 2nd Babylon is Rome, Italy, the RCC, the harlot of Rev. 17. After all, the RCC holds some of the parts of the old mystery, Babylon religion of Nimrod & Semiramis, such as "queena hevvin", with Mary replacing Semiramis in that role(Not by Mary's will, of course), purgatory, indulgences, man-made saints, prayers to the dead, etc.

Yes, I partially agree.

However IMO the RCC was a passing through phase.

Once we have outgrown God, the final organizational appearing will be the One World Government (The UN on steroids) having rule over the nations with the final manifesto codified in the Secular Humanist Manifesto.

We are almost there: The Evolving Humanist Manifestos

 

[robycop3]

i believe the coming antichrist will come outta "nowhere" & won't be a celebrity beforehand. We've had "test firings' with napoleon & Hitler to show us how quickly one man, aided by satan, can come outta nowhere to become an evil world force. And the antichrist will be far-more-powerful than those first two, as he will be indwelt by Satan himself.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

The final organizational appearing will be the One World Government having rule over the nations

What makes you believe that there is NOW NO immensely powerful Shadow Government that exercises a tremendous corrupting influence over virtually all the nations on earth, as many progressives assert?

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

... rule over the nations with the final manifesto codified in the Secular Humanist Manifesto.

We are almost there: The Evolving Humanist Manifestos

The last paragraph of that article appears as follows:

Then, speaking of the humanists of the last days, Paul said they would be "lovers of their own selves, . . . lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; . . . from such turn away" (II Timothy 3:2,4-5).

Consider the theology that you and the author have difficulty admitting, which the author purposely excised with the second ellipsis:

2 Timothy 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

 

[HankD]

What makes you believe that there is NOW NO immensely powerful Shadow Government that exercises a tremendous corrupting influence over virtually all the nations on earth, as many progressives assert?

Notice the word "appearing" in my post.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Notice the word "appearing" in my post.

Notice the easily provable theses in the first three videos on page 1, which identifies the presently existing, immensely powerful Shadow Government that exercises a tremendous corrupting influence over virtually all the nations on earth.

 

[HankD]

The last paragraph of that article appears as follows:



Consider the theology that you and the author have difficulty admitting, which the author purposely excised with the second ellipsis:

2 Timothy 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

What exactly is your objection here ZHF?

Is it the phrase "a form of godliness" the word godliness has no root to the word "god" but means "reverence" or "piety".
IOW They have a shallow form of nicety but deny the power of the Holy Spirit to change the human heart.

 

[HankD]

Notice the easily provable theses in the first three videos on page 1, which identifies the presently existing, immensely powerful Shadow Government that exercises a tremendous corrupting influence over virtually all the nations on earth.

Yes Mystery Babylon is almost here.

It does however lack the unifying One World Government of The United Nations (or its replacement) under the coming antichrist.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

What exactly is your objection here ZHF?

Is it the phrase "a form of godliness" the word godliness has no root to the word "god" but means "reverence" or "piety".
IOW They have a shallow form of nicety but deny the power of the Holy Spirit to change the human heart.

You are free to select whichever translation of 1 Timothy 3:16 you think is best:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of nicety: (G2150) God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: (G2150) God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Yes Mystery Babylon is almost here.

It does however lack the unifying One World Government of The United Nations (or its replacement) under the coming antichrist.

No. That's not the point of the three short videos that you are only pretending to understand. The most obvious conclusion that can be reached from the easily verifiable facts revealed there is that Mystery Babylon is already here but that she has not yet mounted the resurrected sea beast.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe,

 

[HankD]

You are free to select whichever translation of 1 Timothy 3:16 you think is best:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of nicety: (G2150) God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Yes and context, grammar and syntax also determines the meaning of a word in both Greek and English.

e.g.
Jesus said to His disciples :
Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

The translation of the word "desire" in the given passage can be "lust".
But of course that is not the best choice.

So it is with the word eusebia It is not always "godliness", in fact the word "god" is not in the Greek word eusebia

Example of the literal meaning

NAB 2 Timothy 3:5 as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them.

Another

NJB 2 Timothy 3:5 They will keep up the outward appearance of religion but will have rejected the inner power of it. Keep away from people like that.

 

[HankD]

No. That's not the point of the three short videos that you are only pretending to understand. The most obvious conclusion that can be reached from the easily verifiable facts revealed there is that Mystery Babylon is already here but that she has not yet mounted the resurrected sea beast.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe,

True, Mystery Babylon is already here but not discernible to the world.
Just as the antichrist and his forerunners are here already.


1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Soon he shall be revealed
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Mystery Babylon is already here but not discernible to the world.

No. Mystery Babylon is discernible to progressives and Seventh-day Millerites. It's just not discernible to you.

 

[Walter]

No. Mystery Babylon is discernible to progressives and Seventh-day Millerites. It's just not discernible to you.

Oh, please enlighten us!

 

[Zog Has-fallen]

Oh, please enlighten us!

Lesson 1 is How to click on a link. Are you ready?

 

[HankD]

No. Mystery Babylon is discernible to progressives and Seventh-day Millerites. It's just not discernible to you.

No it is not fully discernible to progressives as they have not the wisdom from God and deny it will be destroyed in perdition,
Neither the "Millerites" as they predicted the wrong date of Jesus second coming.

Revelation 17
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.