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Banished from a public library?
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Respectfully, DHK, DonnA is expressing her opinion, no naming names or saying that anyone else said this. She is talking generalities not specifically anyone on this Board.
Granny can have her opinion in this debate and I believe others can have their opinion also.
Granny can have her opinion in this debate and I believe others can have their opinion also.
There is nothing wrong with that opinion, except that it implies that there are people here doing that. Otherwise why would it be expressed? I don't see anyone advocating a teaching method of showing young children pictures of torn and mutilated babies for the purpose of teaching them about aborton and homosexuality.
DHK
GrannyGumbo
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Don't worry about it, I'm so used to it.
GrannyGumbo
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That was said to Thankful.
Looks like they were talking about this post above.
I wonder how much good is acomplished holding scripture signs to go along with all that? I bet it does alot more turning away than bringing them to God.
Does God not love women who have abortions and the homosexuals out there too? He loves ALL of us. You wouldn't know that by those signs though.
Peoples actions won't change really until they have been convicted by the Holy Spirit and turn to God. We need to show grace with truth...not just turn or burn or you're going to hell you sinner.
Dear GrannyGumbo,
Do you teach in a public school?
I have been substitute teaching for several years. I know teachers from Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Georgia and Alabama who are not afraid to walk into these unGodly antiChrist institutions and follow the humble leadership of the Spirit to humbly witness to entire classes when that same Spirit opens the door.
When it is done like this the mouths of men are silenced.
I worked full-time in the classroom of a state legislator last Spring. Teaching tenth grade world history. I prepared for three 1 hr. and 35 min classes each day teaching World History. Do you know how many times I was blessed with the opportunity to provide reason for the hope that was in me during this time? Every chapter spoke of some pagan religion and almost every lesson would prompt a question for comparison to Christianity in general and this would lead to Baptist teaching specifically as the students Knew I am a MB pastor.
There were students from every socieoeconomic background, there were gang members of all sorts including the innocent preps . Several days I had the opportunity to discuss salvation, obedience, baptism, even being blessed twice to speak about the redemption we have in His life, death and resurrection. (the life is in the blood, the mercy seat, the sacrifice, and atonement, etc.).
Only one student objected to this. The first question I was asked by another, this particular student told me it was illegal to talk about religion. I asked him to get me a copy of our Nation's constitution and show me where it said that. He did but could not find anything except that Congress shall not... I then told him I was not Congress and I asked him to open his text book to the Roman Empire period and/or to the Greek period and the Middle Ages, and the Reformation, I pointed out to him the topics being the Rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, the stories of Greek religions, influence of hellenized society on Christianity, Christianity in the Middle Ages, and everybody's favorite, the Reformation.
This student never again objected to any question directed to me, nor any answer I gave.
We even had one avowed atheist who heard the witness of the Gospel several times during my time there, by the way, this young man was my most decent and godly student. He was very well mannered and obedient to everything I asked of him. Now when I had to leave many of these students were very sad, when I see them in town they act as if I am a long lost friend. They run up to me in Wal-mart at ballgames and where ever I may see them and talk to me as if they really miss me.
These kids are 15-16 yrs. old and I am almost 36. No generational gap with the gospel is there?
Yes, Granny, there are many problems with the public school system, is our God not still on His Sovereign throne?
Again I ask, do you teach, or have you ever taught in a public School?
May God Bless all who are humbly trying to educate our nation's youth according to His Eternal Principles and Purpose.
Bro. Dallas Eaton
Do you teach in a public school?
I have been substitute teaching for several years. I know teachers from Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Georgia and Alabama who are not afraid to walk into these unGodly antiChrist institutions and follow the humble leadership of the Spirit to humbly witness to entire classes when that same Spirit opens the door.
When it is done like this the mouths of men are silenced.
I worked full-time in the classroom of a state legislator last Spring. Teaching tenth grade world history. I prepared for three 1 hr. and 35 min classes each day teaching World History. Do you know how many times I was blessed with the opportunity to provide reason for the hope that was in me during this time? Every chapter spoke of some pagan religion and almost every lesson would prompt a question for comparison to Christianity in general and this would lead to Baptist teaching specifically as the students Knew I am a MB pastor.
There were students from every socieoeconomic background, there were gang members of all sorts including the innocent preps . Several days I had the opportunity to discuss salvation, obedience, baptism, even being blessed twice to speak about the redemption we have in His life, death and resurrection. (the life is in the blood, the mercy seat, the sacrifice, and atonement, etc.).
Only one student objected to this. The first question I was asked by another, this particular student told me it was illegal to talk about religion. I asked him to get me a copy of our Nation's constitution and show me where it said that. He did but could not find anything except that Congress shall not... I then told him I was not Congress and I asked him to open his text book to the Roman Empire period and/or to the Greek period and the Middle Ages, and the Reformation, I pointed out to him the topics being the Rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire, the stories of Greek religions, influence of hellenized society on Christianity, Christianity in the Middle Ages, and everybody's favorite, the Reformation.
This student never again objected to any question directed to me, nor any answer I gave.
We even had one avowed atheist who heard the witness of the Gospel several times during my time there, by the way, this young man was my most decent and godly student. He was very well mannered and obedient to everything I asked of him. Now when I had to leave many of these students were very sad, when I see them in town they act as if I am a long lost friend. They run up to me in Wal-mart at ballgames and where ever I may see them and talk to me as if they really miss me.
These kids are 15-16 yrs. old and I am almost 36. No generational gap with the gospel is there?
Yes, Granny, there are many problems with the public school system, is our God not still on His Sovereign throne?
Again I ask, do you teach, or have you ever taught in a public School?
May God Bless all who are humbly trying to educate our nation's youth according to His Eternal Principles and Purpose.
Bro. Dallas Eaton
2Pe 2:7 (KJV) And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (KJV) (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds
2Pe 2:9 (KJV) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 2:10 (KJV) But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. {government: or, dominion}
2Pe 2:11 (KJV) Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. {them: some read, themselves}
Craigbythesea
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Christians should behave themselves in public libraries and every place else. If you want a library with your rules, open your own library and pay all the expenses—but don’t open it in my town or we will tar and feather you drive you out of town!
Yes, thank you, Brother Craigbythesea for steering us back into the topic of the OPer---a public library is that---public! Its open to the public. Its funded by the public! Its funded by public taxes. The books are not "ours" to do as we will---the books are the public's. One Library rule----is---you return the book in the same condition as you checked it out----nothing more added---nothing more taken away!Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
Christians should behave themselves in public libraries and every place else. If you want a library with your rules, open your own library and pay all the expenses—but don’t open it in my town or we will tar and feather you drive you out of town!
Magnetic Poles
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Frogman, a teacher is a state employee, and courts have ruled against teaching religion with the intent of proselytization in public schools. That is how the courts have interpreted the constitution. Would you like a Satanist public school teacher promoting their religion to the students?
What you CAN do legally is teach ABOUT world religions in the context of sociology and history without promoting them as truth.
What you CAN do legally is teach ABOUT world religions in the context of sociology and history without promoting them as truth.
I Am Blessed 24
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Should this have some commas in it or did you mean that you really do enjoy antagonizing people?
She doesn't have to teach to know. Wasn't she taught in one?
I was taught in one and I became a high school teacher. I will support Granny in her evaluation of the public school system. What little success you have in witnessing does not sanctify an institution whose established religion is Secular Humanism. It is an ungodly system, and if a parent can avoid sending their children to it, they should.
Magnetic Poles
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Would it be sick if they saw such photos in a Jewish Holocaust museum? I'm certain you would applaud the effort to educate children about it.
How is the American Holocaust any different?
Poles & dog can feel free to respond to these questions at anytime. </font>[/QUOTE]Your certainty is misdirected. I would not let a child visit a holocaust museum. Nor would I want them to watch any kind of invasive medical procedure, such as gall bladder removal, cardiac bypass surgery, C-Section delivery OR abortion.
By using the loaded term "American Holocaust" you poison the dialog. There is no rational discussion when loaded terms are used at the onset.
Let's draw a distinction here, which I believe needs to be made:
It is a protest. Hopefully the ones that are being educated about what happens when an abortion takes place are the mothers intending to get an abortion or that already have an abortion. The target audience was never intended for children. They are not the ones being educated. In the one specific example given, it was not a young child present; it was a twelve year old, one who is entering their teen years and likely already has some knowledge about what goes on in this world just by watching the news on TV, or other forms of media.
Second, to go a bit off the topic a bit in order to make a comparison let me ask you: how many of you watch on your TV's: CSI, Law and Order, Criminal Intent, Law and Order, Special Victims Unit? These are popular TV shows. They also have some of the most graphic scenes (porn and soft porn) on them. Some scenes take you into a strippers club where young women are shown in the nude! This is in the name of detective work. The lab received a head of a headless person in the mail. Another head was boiled in a vat. A suspect was taken into the Medical Examiner's room, and as a means of interrogation, had to watch the gruesome autopsy. It made him sick. If your children are present, would it make them sick as well. There are more graphic and sexually explicit scenes in some of these programs than what I can imagine a protester demonstrating at an abortion rally. But I am willing to hazard a guess that many Christians allow their children to sit through and watch some of these same programs without even blinking an eye. I call that hypocrisy, if you are condemning one and doing the other.
Also on TV, this time in the name of education, have you seen the ads against smoking? Some of them are fairly gruesome and graphic. They picture the lungs and what they become. They show the toxins that enter the body.
Have you seen the commercials sponsored by MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving)? They also can be quite graphic. What happens to a drunk driver, or an innocent bystander when hit by a drunk? There's a variety of these commericals as well.
Both of the above are intended to edcuate all about the hazards of smoking and drinking. Both have graphic and detailed pictures in them. If your kids watch TV they are bound to see them.
I don't think that it is fair to be too judgmental with everything else that goes on in this world that 12 year olds see when they can hardly avoid seeing it. Calling it child abuse is out of line IMO. There are far worse things in this world, and the public school system curiculuum is but one of them.
DHK
If this was done it was not done (as far as I know) to a child. It was done in the context of a protest with the intended target audience of those getting an abortion or concerned about abortions--hardly children. This is not the education of children! So put things in their proper context. In no way can this be construed as the education of children in either homosexuality or abortion, so why is the implication there, that it is?
It is a protest. Hopefully the ones that are being educated about what happens when an abortion takes place are the mothers intending to get an abortion or that already have an abortion. The target audience was never intended for children. They are not the ones being educated. In the one specific example given, it was not a young child present; it was a twelve year old, one who is entering their teen years and likely already has some knowledge about what goes on in this world just by watching the news on TV, or other forms of media.
Second, to go a bit off the topic a bit in order to make a comparison let me ask you: how many of you watch on your TV's: CSI, Law and Order, Criminal Intent, Law and Order, Special Victims Unit? These are popular TV shows. They also have some of the most graphic scenes (porn and soft porn) on them. Some scenes take you into a strippers club where young women are shown in the nude! This is in the name of detective work. The lab received a head of a headless person in the mail. Another head was boiled in a vat. A suspect was taken into the Medical Examiner's room, and as a means of interrogation, had to watch the gruesome autopsy. It made him sick. If your children are present, would it make them sick as well. There are more graphic and sexually explicit scenes in some of these programs than what I can imagine a protester demonstrating at an abortion rally. But I am willing to hazard a guess that many Christians allow their children to sit through and watch some of these same programs without even blinking an eye. I call that hypocrisy, if you are condemning one and doing the other.
Also on TV, this time in the name of education, have you seen the ads against smoking? Some of them are fairly gruesome and graphic. They picture the lungs and what they become. They show the toxins that enter the body.
Have you seen the commercials sponsored by MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving)? They also can be quite graphic. What happens to a drunk driver, or an innocent bystander when hit by a drunk? There's a variety of these commericals as well.
Both of the above are intended to edcuate all about the hazards of smoking and drinking. Both have graphic and detailed pictures in them. If your kids watch TV they are bound to see them.
I don't think that it is fair to be too judgmental with everything else that goes on in this world that 12 year olds see when they can hardly avoid seeing it. Calling it child abuse is out of line IMO. There are far worse things in this world, and the public school system curiculuum is but one of them.
DHK
Should this have some commas in it or did you mean that you really do enjoy antagonizing people?
</font>[/QUOTE]LOL, sorry that wasn't clear. What I meant was I do not use overtly antagonistic methods. (Some people feel antagonized, no matter what.) But I have always distributed material in places and ways that were approved by the people in charge. And I have found a lot of those places. For example, I had a booth at the county fair for over ten years and distributed lots of stuff to people that wanted to take it. No distressing pictures shown. Many people have WANTED me to be far more aggressive and to be antagonistic.Karen
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