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Banished from a public library?
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I don't think Christ was referring to the quality of a child's scholastic education. In fact, I think that using Christ's words in such a manner is a perversion of scripture. </font>[/QUOTE]Christ was speaking of all worldly endeavors. </font>[/QUOTE]Sez you. But who appointed you the final interpreter of God's word?
A school run by a synogogue is worse than a secular school. They will teach children that Christ has not come, and that Jesus was a lying bastard.Originally posted by Petrel:
Apparently you think that sending a child to a school run by a synogogue causes them to gain the world but also lose their immortal soul. . .
I think that it gains them a good understanding of reading, writing, and arithmetic.
But hey, they can read write and do arithmetic! I guess on Judgment Day they'll just cipher their way into Heaven.
The end goal of all true education is Christ, and all other efforts are dung in comparison. What does it profit a man if he lose his own soul? What do you think all the Ph.D's will think of their education while they're sizzling in hell? What do you think Einstein is thinking right now at this moment?
False dichotomy. It is quite possible for a Christian to benefit from study with the unsaved. It's quite possible for a person who earns a Ph.D. in a non-theological realm to go to heaven. I don't know if you mean to suggest this, but you seem very opposed to "book larnin'."
Jesus also said:
Ye do err, not knowing the scripture, nor the power of God.
Some of you think God can not preserve His elect in any and all situations?
Boy, are you all trying to complete the work of atonement for them?
Did Christ save you and me and then take us out of the world?
Bro. Dallas
Ye do err, not knowing the scripture, nor the power of God.
Some of you think God can not preserve His elect in any and all situations?
Boy, are you all trying to complete the work of atonement for them?
Did Christ save you and me and then take us out of the world?
Bro. Dallas
Then explain why some of the strongest Christians come out of parachurch organizations situated on the campuses of secular universitities, military bases and areas of the world where Christians are persecuted. It is adversity that makes a person strong not just intellectual education. Some of the weakest Christians I met were in the churches I pastored where the people were surrounded by Christians all time. </font>[/QUOTE]They are the exceptions and not the norm. Josh McDowell, for example, has a wonderful testimony of how he was saved on the campus of secular university, and then has gone on to be one of the most prolific contemporary Christian apologetics of our time. What we don't hear about is the many casualties on the way. I myself could give you testimonies of those who have "apostasized" to Islam, Catholicism, other cults, etc. The cults especially are very active on the campuses of university, and now also in the third world countries.
Yet for the grace of God some are saved in secular schools and kept by the power of his grace. Sometimes it has to do with the strength and backing of the home. Sometimes it is just purely the sovereignty and grace of God. Someone, for example, on the campus of the University witnessed to me. I had been a Catholic all my life (20 years). I had never heard the gospel before. That day I trusted Christ as my Saviour, and never looked back. My life has completely changed. I am the type of person that you are referring to. But you don't know about the rest of my family that never was saved--parents, brothers, sisters, cousins, etc. I am one person out of dozens or even scores of relatives in an extended family system that has been saved. You hear about the ones that have been saved, just for that reason--they have been saved.
What are we to think of "weak" Christians. Many of them may not be Christians at all; but only God knows the heart. When a Muslim converts to Christianity in an Islamic nation, he immediately must go underground. He will be persecuted by his familly. They will try to kill him for the insult that he brings upon the family name. Other Muslims will persecute him as well. He will have to forsake not only his family but all of his possessions, and even his home. That is why those who turn to Christ in such countries are strong Christians. Their environment creates conditions such as suffering and persecution that build the character of a strong Christian.
DHK
They are the exceptions and not the norm. Josh McDowell, for example, has a wonderful testimony of how he was saved on the campus of secular university, and then has gone on to be one of the most prolific contemporary Christian apologetics of our time. What we don't hear about is the many casualties on the way. I myself could give you testimonies of those who have "apostasized" to Islam, Catholicism, other cults, etc. The cults especially are very active on the campuses of university, and now also in the third world countries.
What are we to think of "weak" Christians. Christians.
My testimony is much the same as yours. Most of my friends from the days when I was in the Navigators are still continuing to live for Christ.
Few churches are active on secular campuses sharing their faith. Why?
Read the article about some church folks at http://bpnews.org/bpnews.asp?ID=21464
I think he is objecting to your apparent position that sending a child to a secular school or school run by another religion is invariably damning that child to Hell.
And also pointing out that we are left here as a witness, which necessarily requires contact with unbelievers and an attempt to understand them.
And also pointing out that we are left here as a witness, which necessarily requires contact with unbelievers and an attempt to understand them.
First, that's not my position, and if he's objecting to that, then I'm not the one to whom he responded. My position is that sending a child to a secular school or school run by another religion doesn't comply with God's standards of education (which are universal and non-optional), and it is certainly no help with, if not counterproductive to, laying hold on eternal life. Second, if my position as stated here is what he's objecting to, then I would reiterate Paul's warning: Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners. God has commanded parents to raise their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, and placing them in an environment where their naive, impressionable minds are bombarded day in and day out with humanistic, ungodly philosophies when they can avoid it is a difficult thing to justify, subterfuge about divine preservation notwithstanding.
lifeandliberty,
I didn't take the time to read through this whole thread so in case someone didn't make this suggestion try this.
Get yourself some time on the library internet, go to an anti-abortion website and do some research, print out their material, pictures and leave all or some it in the printer, tables, etc.
I see internet printouts all over the public library I vist.
Try leaving the graphic pictures of the aborted babies on the screen when you leave.
If they ban you for that, take them to court.
Perhaps you can find a Christian lawyer who will argue your suit gratis.
HankD
I didn't take the time to read through this whole thread so in case someone didn't make this suggestion try this.
Get yourself some time on the library internet, go to an anti-abortion website and do some research, print out their material, pictures and leave all or some it in the printer, tables, etc.
I see internet printouts all over the public library I vist.
Try leaving the graphic pictures of the aborted babies on the screen when you leave.
If they ban you for that, take them to court.
Perhaps you can find a Christian lawyer who will argue your suit gratis.
HankD
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That is a great idea being that the material being left in the library is material gleaned from the library.
Hogwash. Granny is trying to teach her grandchild that life is sacred. She is also trying to tell people that Salvation is theirs if they want it. She is also rebuking Sodomy. How is that child abuse?
Faithgirl46
I am against censorship, PERIOD. However, I'm just as against having someone's stuff force-fed to anyone, or tricked into reading it. That includes packaging porn as something innocent, such as the cute little chars on South Park. Sorry, but hiding material within books that's not the subject of the book is deception, I.E. LYING, and that's CERTAINLY not God's way.
Granny, you know I respect you, but you're going about it incorrectly by using children whose peers don't know nor care what a sodomite is. You may believe you're doing it God's way, and your message may be true, but by using children, you're practicing deception and that CANNOT be GOD'S way. And, far as that goes, not too many adults know what a sodomite is, but they almost all know what gay/lesbian is.
Granny, you know I respect you, but you're going about it incorrectly by using children whose peers don't know nor care what a sodomite is. You may believe you're doing it God's way, and your message may be true, but by using children, you're practicing deception and that CANNOT be GOD'S way. And, far as that goes, not too many adults know what a sodomite is, but they almost all know what gay/lesbian is.
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