Baptism, David Pawson, Sacrament

[HankD]

Apostle paul quotes the OT in that "the Just shall live by faith"....

Gospel says that those who reject the Son of God, believe not in Him, are damned already, judgement of God upon them...

Those who do not believe unto jesus are already judged/lost, NOT those who refuse to get water baptised!

Did jesus ever baptise anyone?
paul said that he had done a "few"...

Would think both of them would have had more to do and say if was essential to get saved!

Not sure what you are saying.

Anyone who believes water trumps the blood of Christ has rejected the blood atonement.

HankD

 

[JesusFan]

Not sure what you are saying.

Anyone who believes water trumps the blood of Christ has rejected the blood atonement.

HankD

just was saying that IF Water baptism was considered to have been essentially to one being saved, than why did neither Jesus/Paul include it as being part of it?

And do agree that IF you add ANYTHING to saved by faith and grace alone, that is adding to the Gospel, making it another gospel!

 

[HankD]

just was saying that IF Water baptism was considered to have been essentially to one being saved, than why did neither Jesus/Paul include it as being part of it?

And do agree that IF you add ANYTHING to saved by faith and grace alone, that is adding to the Gospel, making it another gospel!

Oh, OK I see.

HankD

 

[phaipola]

Wasn't The Apostle relating/contrasting between that which was born physical and that which was born again by the HS? Through the agency of the water washing us being a term for the work of the scriptures in our lives?

Born of water and born of spirit

What do you think of a person, who has received the Holy Spirit of God and has put his faith and trust in the Lord Jesus? (Acts, 10:43-48) Has he or she been born again from above by the spirit of God or not? (John, 3:3-8) Or has he or she not yet started a new life as a Christian, and will not start a new life before he or she will be immersed in the water? What does it mean, when the Lord said:

"...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God..."
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3:3, 5-8)

There have been six main theories of what Jesus meant by these words. The most promising of them are that [1] he spoke of two different births, one natural (of water/ of flesh) and one supernatural (of the Spirit) or [2] that he was referring to the spiritual birth by the Spirit with a parallel phrase "of water and of the spirit" (Isa, 44:3-5, Eze, 36:25-26).

One interpretation is that Jesus is referring to "the word of God" by "water", but I do not find this interpretation consistent enough.

 

[JesusFan]

Born of water and born of spirit

What do you think of a person, who has received the Holy Spirit of God and has put his faith and trust in the Lord Jesus? (Acts, 10:43-48) Has he or she been born again from above by the spirit of God or not? (John, 3:3-8) Or has he or she not yet started a new life as a Christian, and will not start a new life before he or she will be immersed in the water? What does it mean, when the Lord said:

"...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God..."
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." (John 3:3, 5-8)

There have been six main theories of what Jesus meant by these words. The most promising of them are that [1] he spoke of two different births, one natural (of water/ of flesh) and one supernatural (of the Spirit) or [2] that he was referring to the spiritual birth by the Spirit with a parallel phrase "of water and of the spirit" (Isa, 44:3-5, Eze, 36:25-26).

One interpretation is that Jesus is referring to "the word of God" by "water", but I do not find this interpretation consistent enough.

The Holy Spirit would have the "well of living water/endless supply" produced in the new believer, as God regenerates them into new creations by His divine Act...

We are commanded by the Bible to seek water baptism after that, it is to signify what has already happened, but does NOT cause it to happen!

 

[phaipola]

The Holy Spirit would have the "well of living water/endless supply" produced in the new believer, as God regenerates them into new creations by His divine Act...

We are commanded by the Bible to seek water baptism after that, it is to signify what has already happened, but does NOT cause it to happen!

I agree. That is correct.