Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ?

[TCassidy]

As I said, a recognition of a basic Christian Doctrine.

Basic Christian Doctrine is to deny the full Deity of Christ? I thought you claimed to be a baptist.

 

[TCassidy]

How can one be omnipresent when they are limited in space, lol.

Okay. So, we seem to have found something else you don't understand. Omnipresence.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus was not omnipresent, that is just a basic fact.




Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, and taking on the likeness of man He limited Himself to a physical body.

Who was on the Cross, and Who was in Heaven?




That's the point, lol.

Jesus is specific to that body God manifested in.




No, it is simply to recognize that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, was fully God, fully man.

That is just a basic Christian Doctrine.


God bless.

Not ALL of God was in the person of jesus, as it was ALL of God the Son, but the father still ruled from heaven, and the Spirit was still working upon the earth!

 

[Yeshua1]

Okay. So, we seem to have found something else you don't understand. Omnipresence.

Jesus was limited to one location while here upon the earth, but is no longer while now in heaven.

 

[Darrell C]

Psalm 146:3 Don’t put your trust in princes, each a son of man in whom there is no help.

2 Timothy 4:1-3
King James Version (KJV)

4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Actually, when you post a long, drawn out, line after line of meaningless quotes accompanied by ignorant comments I just skip it.

Yet you have the nerve to deny exegesis in posts you do not even read.

I have brought quite a few irrefutable facts to your attention out of Scripture, now I know why you remain adamant in your popular pulpit mythology...

...you don't even know what is being said.

Of course I have already pointed this out before, when you jump into a thread offering arguments that 1) are irrelevant to what I have said and 2) false.

But thanks for publicly admitting that.

When you post a short, concise, logical post, I read it and usually respond.

Well, I don't cater to your limited ability in Doctrinal Debate and Discussion.

Perhaps once in a while, if you get a wild hair, maybe you could actually address one of the points I make, and include the Scripture given to support it.

And I think I am going to keel over and die right now...how dare you accuse me of logic!

I already explained this to you. If you are still having trouble understanding it I will gladly try to explain it in simpler terms for you.

Sure, that makes, what, three times you have said you are going to explain things to me? What are we, some 80,000 words ago and still all you have shown me is that you think the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is mythical?

[Personal attack edited.]




God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

Basic Christian Doctrine is to deny the full Deity of Christ? I thought you claimed to be a baptist.

Where did he deny that Jesus was fully God though?

 

[Darrell C]

No, it is simply to recognize that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, was fully God, fully man.

That is just a basic Christian Doctrine.

Basic Christian Doctrine is to deny the full Deity of Christ? I thought you claimed to be a baptist.

Are you denying that the above is Basic Christian Doctrine?


God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you denying that the above is Basic Christian Doctrine?


God bless.

That is what all of the creeds confess, that Jesus was/is both fully God and man!

 

[Darrell C]

How can one be omnipresent when they are limited in space, lol.

How can one be omnipresent when they are limited in space, lol.

Okay. So, we seem to have found something else you don't understand. Omnipresence.

It's a simple question, would you mind answering it?


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

That is what all of the creeds confess, that Jesus was/is both fully God and man!

Perhaps you can explain it to TCassidy.

He seems to think its a denial of the Deity of Christ.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Okay. So, we seem to have found something else you don't understand. Omnipresence.

The discussion centers on the Body God manifested in, just to remind you. It was created in the womb of Mary, and I have provided you with many passages which show that Scripture gives a point in time when Christ appeared.

Your mythological doctrine on Christ Returning to Heaven then going back in time to meet with Abraham has no basis in Scripture, nor is it something taught by...anyone but you.

I know eternity holds no limitations on God, that is not the point, the point is that you have been given much Scripture that shows that the Old Testament Saints were not Eternally Redeemed, which, if your pet heresy were true, would nullify those Scriptures. I will repost just one, and ask you to address the point and the Scripture...one more time:


Hebrews 9:12-15
King James Version (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


Your mythology nullifies this Scripture, and the three things it states were accomplished by Christ through His death:

1. Eternal Redemption;

2. The New Covenant;

3. The Redemption of the transgression which were under the Law (and this would apply to sins committed prior to the establishment of the Covenant of Law);

4. The obtaining of the promise of Eternal Inheritance, rather than receiving the promise.


Address the Points and Scripture.



God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

That is what all of the creeds confess, that Jesus was/is both fully God and man!

You will likely see that He was "the eternally begotten son," as well. That is twaddle. There is a point in time when the Man Jesus was conceived and born into this world of a virgin. That man was God manifest in the flesh for the express purpose of reconciling men to God. The implication...

...men were not reconciled to God before Christ came, and to this day no man will be reconciled to God except he believe on the Name of Jesus Christ.

And that is it for me. Hope everyone has a blessed day, and yes, that includes you too TCassidy.


God bless.

 

[1689Dave]

Sorry, no, as shown in regards to the unbelief of the disciples both before and after the Resurrection, the disciples were not believing in Jesus Christ.

And as shown in regards to general faith in God, men are not saved by having faith in either a coming Messiah, or...in YHWH. There are untold numbers of Jews who believe in YHWH but are still awaiting the "coming Messiah."

Men cannot be saved through any other Name but the Name of Jesus:


Acts 4:10-12
King James Version (KJV)

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


As I asked before, I would appreciate it if you would address the Scripture and points raised.


God bless.

Jesus = YAHWEH in the NT.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus was not omnipresent, that is just a basic fact.




Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, and taking on the likeness of man He limited Himself to a physical body.

Who was on the Cross, and Who was in Heaven?




That's the point, lol.

Jesus is specific to that body God manifested in.




No, it is simply to recognize that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, was fully God, fully man.

That is just a basic Christian Doctrine.


God bless.

Jesus was not fully Man. He was fully God having both a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You misrepresent him as having a human spirit (person) and a divine person. = multiple personality

 

[1689Dave]

And the "filling" is not the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. They were baptized into Christ, immersed into eternal union with God...at Pentecost.




Correct, with them.

Not in them:


John 14:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


As Christ teaches them these things the disciples are not eternally indwelt, because they have not yet been reconciled to God through the Work of Christ.




The Son of God is YHWH but Jesus is the Messiah born unto Mary some 2,000 years ago for the express purpose of dying in the sinner's stead to make The Atonement.


Philippians 2
King James Version (KJV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Are you sure yo are Trinitarian?




Oh, so men get a little more of the Spirit these days? lol

Sorry, but the Comforter was not present prior to Pentecost.

Same Spirit, different ministry altogether:


John 16:7-9
King James Version (KJV)

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;


John 7:38-39
King James Version (KJV)

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


Note that "...the Holy Ghost was not yet given."

The reference to the living waters speaks of eternal life. No man had eternal life prior to the Cross, at which time Christ retroactively redeemed the Old Testament Saint and made them perfect in regards to remission of sins. And for the living no man had eternal life prior to Pentecost, when they were Baptized with the Holy Ghost, or in other words, baptized into Christ and immersed into God in eternal union.


God bless.

It says they were filled with the Holy Spirit several times.

 

[1689Dave]

The disciples had faith in Christ?

Let's test that theory:


Matthew 16:20-23
King James Version (KJV)

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


No, no faith there, only opposition to the Gospel given them directly by Christ Himself.


John 16:28-32
King James Version (KJV)

28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.


The Lord states clearly "No, you don't believe, you will abandon me."

Perhaps you think I take too much liberty in putting it that way, so let's let the Lord conclude on the matter:


Mark 16:9-14
King James Version (KJV)

9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.


Can't have faith when one does not believe the very Word of Christ that He would rise again from the dead.

They did not believe before the Cross, they did not believe after the Resurrection, Christ had to rebuke them for their unbelief.

Now we cannot be too hard on the disciples, because as I said, Paul teaches that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was a Mystery not revealed in Ages past, to past generations, to the son of men, to the Saints, but is now revealed to His holy Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit.

You see, one cannot believe in something or Someone that God has not first revealed it to them, and in the case of the disciples...


John 20:8-9
King James Version (KJV)

8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.


The "belief" in v.8 is their believing He was no longer in the tomb.

Verse 9 makes it clear they knew not the Scripture that He should rise from the dead. That knowledge is only revealed by the Comforter, and He began revealing it at Pentecost.


Continued...

All who believed in him came for healing. Jesus always said "according to your faith be it unto you".

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus was not fully Man. He was fully God having both a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You misrepresent him as having a human spirit (person) and a divine person. = multiple personality

Per the Creeds, Jesus is fully God and Fully Man

 

[Yeshua1]

It says they were filled with the Holy Spirit several times.

All are baptized one time by the Spirit into the Body of Christ, but are to be refilled by him as often as needed!

 

[TCassidy]

The discussion centers on the Body God manifested in, just to remind you. It was created in the womb of Mary, and I have provided you with many passages which show that Scripture gives a point in time when Christ appeared.

Omnipresence does not imply nor require physical presence. God is Omnipresent but has no physical presence on earth.

So, once again you have proven you don't know what you are talking about.

Your mythological doctrine on Christ Returning to Heaven then going back in time to meet with Abraham has no basis in Scripture, nor is it something taught by...anyone but you.

I know you are desperate to deny the truth, but lying about what I have said and what I believe is not the best way to go about it. One last time, there is no "going back" or "going forward" in eternity. Eternity is TIMELESS, but you can't seem to get your mind around that fact.

I know eternity holds no limitations on God, that is not the point, the point is that you have been given much Scripture that shows that the Old Testament Saints were not Eternally Redeemed, which, if your pet heresy were true, would nullify those Scriptures. I will repost just one, and ask you to address the point and the Scripture...one more time:

You make the serious error of thinking that the OT saints did not receive the full inheritance in the land of promise somehow means they were not fully saved. I got news for you. Being saved is like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't. There is no "almost" or "partly" or "sort of."

Hebrews 9:12-15
King James Version (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Exactly! And where was that Holy Place where He sprinkled the Proof of His Eternal Sacrifice? That's right! In Heaven. In Eternity. He even says that the redemption He obtained was ETERNAL. From Adam until the end of time. Redemption is ETERNAL. Applied to every saved soul of all time. Just like it says.

 

[Yeshua1]

Omnipresence does not imply nor require physical presence. God is Omnipresent but has no physical presence on earth.

So, once again you have proven you don't know what you are talking about.

I know you are desperate to deny the truth, but lying about what I have said and what I believe is not the best way to go about it. One last time, there is no "going back" or "going forward" in eternity. Eternity is TIMELESS, but you can't seem to get your mind around that fact.

You make the serious error of thinking that the OT saints did not receive the full inheritance in the land of promise somehow means they were not fully saved. I got news for you. Being saved is like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't. There is no "almost" or "partly" or "sort of."

Exactly! And where was that Holy Place where He sprinkled the Proof of His Eternal Sacrifice? That's right! In Heaven. In Eternity. He even says that the redemption He obtained was ETERNAL. From Adam until the end of time. Redemption is ETERNAL. Applied to every saved soul of all time. Just like it says.

The NC was not here until the time of jesus, correct? Actually . not until His death and resurrection, when that Veil was torn asunder by God.