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See, this is the problem in trying to interpret scripture apart from context. You come up with a meaning that was never there, that the authors of the scripture didn't intend and the first readers of it didn't see. So, the question is, if the NT teaches it as you maintain, why didn't the early church see it there? Why did it take 1500 years for someone to see it there? The reason is because it took 1500 years for anyone to read the NT with the mindset that Calvin and Luther had -- a legalist, rationalist mindset that was absent in the early church.

Further, a doctrine that was an expansion of the RCC Satisfaction theory, itself invented 1000 years after Christ, should be suspect and discarded on that basis alone.

See my post in the PSA thread for links dealing with Isaiah 53 and PSA.

One short and simple scripture support for my atonement view is where Jesus said that He came to give His life as a ransom.

 

PSA can't be contained within Ransom/Christus Victor. It can be held alongside it. But it is not scriptural, else the early church would have held it.

 

So you're saying a belief could be/was held and taught in the first century church, but from the year 101 onward it disappeared for 1500 years until miraculously rediscovered by Calvin and Luther. That stretches credulity.

I am saying that any doctrine that was truly taught and believed in the NT and first century church was also taught and believed in the early second century church. Conversely, if not held in the early second century, not taught in the first century.

 

Thanks robycop3 and Dave G for your posts.

 

Which specific doctrine/practice?

 

Not sure what you're saying. The earliest churches held to NT teachings. PSA was not found in the first 1500 years after Jesus. That makes it a false doctrine. It is not taught in the NT, not believed in first century churches, unknown in churches after that, only invented by Calvin and Luther who were legalist Westerners. They came at atonement passages from a mindset completely foreign to the apostles who wrote the NT, and foreign to the earliest churches. They knew church history but to come up with their interpretation of the atonement, they had to completely ignore the early church. Although to his credit, Luther did combine PSA with Ransom/Christus Victor.