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Baptism - Sprinkled or Dunked?
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No. I didn’t see “ Infants shall not be baptised until they can make a mature profession of Faith “ Book Nowhere, chapter None, verse Nada.
You are following doctrine that’s not Scriptural.
And the Scripture doesn't say that infants shall be baptized!
You have to fill in the gaps, Cathode..
I've been discussing these gaps for some time now, but nobody believes it.
Until you learn how to do that and stay within the bounds of God's grace, which He abundantly supplies, you will fall short of the mark in understanding the Scripture.
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Prove believer's baptism is false.
Where is it taught in the Bible infants had believed the gospel before being immersed/baptized?
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When parents take the baby to be baptized in the baptismal font of the idolatrous and apostate Roman Catholic Church, in truth this demonic act is the handing over of the newborn to the Devil, it is LITERALLY the handing over the baby to the Devil, the dust of the earth that feeds the Devil for the entire life-> Revelation 12:4 combined with Genesis 3:13-14, take a look-. If he is not be born again, yes, if he is not born of the water-of the Word of GOD, and of the Spirit, and receive the power to be made children of GOD, and became of those who believe in His Name->JESUS-Luke 1:31, then will be cast, even baptized in the Roman Catholic Church, into the hell's fire. Would not it be your case, Cathode? Repent, Cathode, if you have a time to
Well said! Infant baptism is a ploy of Satan himself to create a sense of salvation that never existed.
Many poor misled Catholics are in Hell right now because of this.
But they have no one to blame but themselves.
We're talking about eternal life in Hell or with the Lord, man must search for the truth no matter what denomination he was taught.
The risk is to high and to dangerous to trust any man, go to the Word of God in prayer and faith for the answer.
Salvation is not complicated, a child can understand it, man makes it complicated.
Yes, perfectly. It is an strategy of the Devil to imprison souls in his traps until death, it through his messengers (Revelation 12:7 and 2Corinthians 12:13-15), and take them to hell with him. The adherents of the idolater and apostate Roman Catholic Church eat only of the tree of good and evil-Genesis 3:26 combined with 2:7, but they only do the evil because are dominted by the spirit of Devil exclusively.
John 3:36 and 34-35: -> 36 He that believeth on the Son (as Scriptures say) hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son (as Scriptures say) shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him.
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand. -> Matthew 28:18, take a look.
May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
Ephesians 1:3-11, and so on.
Simple logical examination of Scripture, NOT equating any man-made policy
1. Nowhere is a single infant baptized in the Bible. None. Do you need a list of every NT example?
2. All who were baptized were believers who had repented and trusted the Gospel and voluntarily chosen to be baptized.
3. No infant can repent, believe the Gospel, and choose to be baptized.
One great blessing is to read of missionaries and preachers who were part of liturgical or congregational (baby christening) churches who, when forced to study this matter thru from SCRIPTURE (not caring what Origen or Luther or Calvin said) ALONE could not defend the practice and sided with the Baptists. Shows there IS hope for those enamored with man-made salvation by water to see the truth.
1. Nowhere is a single infant baptized in the Bible. None. Do you need a list of every NT example?
2. All who were baptized were believers who had repented and trusted the Gospel and voluntarily chosen to be baptized.
3. No infant can repent, believe the Gospel, and choose to be baptized.
One great blessing is to read of missionaries and preachers who were part of liturgical or congregational (baby christening) churches who, when forced to study this matter thru from SCRIPTURE (not caring what Origen or Luther or Calvin said) ALONE could not defend the practice and sided with the Baptists. Shows there IS hope for those enamored with man-made salvation by water to see the truth.
So the really important question is why all the Early Christians baptised infants, and said that this practice was from the Apostles.
They all said universally that Baptism was Regeneration and cited Christ’s own words from scripture as proof.
Someone suggested that the entire church must have completely apostatised and been universally deceived for 1500 years.
So the gates of prevailed against the entire church for 1500 years, and Christ’s words were false and the church was not guided in all truth, but fell into universal deception for a Millenia and a half.
For you guys to be right, all the Early Church had to be universally deceived on a basic tenet of Christianity, and Christ’s own words would have to be false.
The early church baptized believers only upon their personal repentance and faith. I truly am saddened that later Christians tried to make salvation by magic water a "doctrine". Not in the Bible.
EVERY New Testament example was people "believed" and then "baptized". EVERY one. No baby "from the Apostles". No tinkling. Conscious repentant believers immersed. Want to go thru the NT and say THEY HAD IT WRONG?? Not me. I will go with God over Luther any day. The early church had it right; sadly it took only a generation before it was corrupted and centuries of people thinking they were "born again" because of being tinkled on with magic water. Satanic witchcraft.
The BIBLE tells us what the "early church" believed and practiced. History tells us that this was hated and perverted and the so-called Christian church needed reforming for this works salvation. That started in 1500's with first-wave reformation. Sadly, they did not go far enough in reformed back to the New Testament. So second-wave reformation of the reformers in 1600's.
THE EARLY CHURCH ONLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS. This cannot be denied.
For me to believe what you believe, I would have to go beyond the scripture, assert belief in a doctrine scripture doesn’t teach, I’d have to reject all the Church Fathers and Christians everywhere even those that determined and assembled the Canon, and I would have to accept that Jesus words were false, that the gates of Hell did prevail against the Church universally for 1500 years, and the Church was not guided in all truth.
I couldn’t find believers baptism in the Early Church writings, anywhere. They all baptised infants.
I could only find believers baptism after symbolic baptism at its origin in the 1520s starting with Zwingli. Zwingli was not an Apostle, so it’s a human interpreted doctrine found at no time in all preceding Christianity.
You would think that believers baptism would show up at some stage in Church history if it were Truth. I looked and could find no trace in all ancient Churches, there is nothing there.
They all believed Baptism was Regeneration being born again citing the Lord’s words from Scripture and they all baptised infants universally.
I side with the Christians of the Early Churches interpretation of Scripture, not Zwingli who had no authority at all.
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You're not talking about the 1st century Church, you're talking about the 2nd century and on.
When the Gentiles were saved in Acts 10 under Peter's preaching, he said, who can deny these baptism, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?
This verse also proves that the Holy Spirit is not received in water baptism, but at the hearing of the Gospel, contrary to the RCC.
From the 2nd century on, after the apostles were gone, apostasy began creeping in the Church.
What you are quoting from "early Christians" is not from the 1st century Church.
If you had read your Bible as you should have instead of listening to some bumbling idiot (priests) you would know these things.
Doesn’t matter, they all say that infant baptism was universally practiced and that practice was handed down to them from Apostles time.
No it actually proves the opposite if you read Peters words here.
“Can anyone deny water for these people to be baptized, since they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?” And he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.”
This is the first time the Gentiles received The Holy Spirit, it was God acting sovereignly to show that the Gentiles were now to be brought into the Church. Peter had to be prepared by God to even approach the Gentiles.
So the standard and normal way to receive The Holy Spirit was through Baptism.
So Peter is saying, how can we deny baptism to these people who have already received The Holy Spirit.
It proves the normal way to receive The Holy Spirit is through Baptism.
So you are rolling with the idea that the Early Church Fathers were all stupid idiots.
Doesn’t matter that they are all quoting scripture with the exact same interpretation universally.
It’s somehow only your interpretation of scripture that’s true, and a minority of others.
Symbolic baptism was an invention of one man in the 1520s, and believers baptism was fabricated soon after that only gaining traction in the 1600s among small violent sects.
My goodness! Surly you know, well, I guess you don't, that salvation is exactly the same for all.
The water baptism exercised here is believers baptism, it has always been the same and no different formula has ever existed.
The Jews were shocked that Gentiles could be saved. They thought only a Jew could be saved.
This is why Peter went back to the Jews very carefully after he witnessed the Gentiles could be saved.
They didn't know this, and accused Peter of associating with the Gentiles, gathering with them, which was forbidden for the Jews.
If you had read your Bible you would know this is the mystery from the beginning of the world that Paul told us about.
Eph. 3:2-7
"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power."
You thinking is from a human perspective, A STUMBLINGBLOCK, not from GOD's perspective. What the Roman Catholic Church teaches and preaches have nothing to do with Word of GOD, but with satanic dogmas and doctrines of many defuncts beatified by the rulers of the Apostate Church of Rome since the beginning, which you call your fathers, a legion of demons which ruled and rules the RCC, the last of them died recently. And the next to be elected will be the last, the world of Devil with its religious and satanics systems will be burned with everlasting fire from now on, day by day, understand?
The Jews did say: "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even GOD." What they did say was a lie, of the same manner what you say is fake. JESUS said unto the Jews: -> "Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Now, now, the same I tell for you: The fathers of the Roman Catholic Church and their adherents, they are sons of Devil, their FATHER IS THE DEVIL, they all are ruled by the spirit of lie, the spirit of Devil, understand?
By the Power of the Word of GOD, all will be cast into the hell's fire in days to come, understand? First will be elect the next and last Pope, understand? Also will manifest a false messiah, an esoteric and kabbalistic messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, a quack(John 5:43-47) , the MAN of sin, son of perdition, Satan incarnated, now the Dragon(Revelation 12:9), and in this same period of time he will make a deal with the next demonic ruler of the apostate and demonic Church of Rome, then this Beast of the earth, a false lamb, false messiah (Revelation 13:11, and so on), will MARRY the apostate church of Rome, the Great Whore and his universal structures, in the seven continents or seven regions of the earth, the Dragon, ie. the Devil, will give to the Beast of Rome, to the Pope, his power, and his seat (in Jerusalem), and great authority, in LITERAL fulfilment of Revelation 13:2.
You, cathode, are trapped in the Devil's trap, the destiny will be of unbearable punish and pains, as being adherent of the Great Whore.
Was Satan, son of perdition, born? Yes, he was, of course, decades ago
Don't you know that Satan has already been born? 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4 Now, now, he was born decades ago and is about to manifest himself very soon, do you know where? It's good to know and be prepared for the battle of Armageddom. Revelation 16: v. 13-16...
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When the apostles learned that the Jews could be saved, this is what brought about the great Jerusalem Council.
All the apostles gathered together to decide what was to be done with Gentiles that were being saved.
James, the brother of Christ, well, half brother, was the head pastor of the Church at Jerusalem, and had the final say after Peter and Paul had spoken, they agreed that the Gentiles were not to held to the Law of Moses. They made the correct choice.
No, Peter is obviously saying, we can’t deny them water Baptism now, since they have already received The Holy Spirit, to their shock.
It shows that the ordinary way to receive The Holy Spirit was by Baptism.
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