Baptism - Sprinkled or Dunked?

[Dr. Bob]

This is an "other religions" forum on a Baptist Board, so people here may believe what they want and answer to God. Agree that it is hard for me to stand solely on the New Testament rather than on fallible men who have gone hither and yon away from the simple inspired imperatives of God. The BIBLE teaches only believers' baptism. ONLY. It took only one generation to pervert this and twist salvation by grace into salvation by magic tinkles.

So if we go by the Bible (a Baptist distinctive) rather than church denominational dogma or tradition that us the opposite of the Bible, we will stand in opposition. I only pray God will open eyes to the Scriptural truth of repentance and faith alone for eternal life. We who believe in the blessings of heaven also believe in the eternal torment of hell . . . and don't want that for anyone.

 

[Charlie24]

No, Peter is obviously saying, we can’t deny them water Baptism now, since they have already received The Holy Spirit, to their shock.

It shows that the ordinary way to receive The Holy Spirit was by Baptism.

Ok, I'll not waste anymore of your time. You believe what you will.

I've done what I could, what I was expected to do, and I will not be held responsible.

 

[Oseas3]

No, Peter is obviously saying, we can’t deny them water Baptism now, since they have already received The Holy Spirit, to their shock.

It shows that the ordinary way to receive The Holy Spirit was by Baptism.

You thinking is from a human perspective, A STUMBLINGBLOCK, not from GOD's perspective. What the Roman Catholic Church teaches and preaches have nothing to do with Word of GOD, but with satanic dogmas and doctrines of many defuncts beatified by the rulers of the Apostate Church of Rome since the beginning, which you call your fathers, a legion of demons which ruled and rules the RCC, the last of them died recently. And the next to be elected will be the last, the world of Devil with its religious and satanics systems will be burned with everlasting fire from now on, day by day, understand?

 

[Charlie24]

This is an "other religions" forum on a Baptist Board, so people here may believe what they want and answer to God. Agree that it is hard for me to stand solely on the New Testament rather than on fallible men who have gone hither and yon away from the simple inspired imperatives of God. The BIBLE teaches only believers' baptism. ONLY. It took only one generation to pervert this and twist salvation by grace into salvation by magic tinkles.

So if we go by the Bible (a Baptist distinctive) rather than church denominational dogma or tradition that us the opposite of the Bible, we will stand in opposition. I only pray God will open eyes to the Scriptural truth of repentance and faith alone for eternal life. We who believe in the blessings of heaven also believe in the eternal torment of hell . . . and don't want that for anyone.

I'm glad you pointed that out, I had not noticed this is the "other religions" forum.

I've been to bold not realizing where I was posting.

I apologize for not recognizing this.

 

[Oseas3]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, Father of the Lord JESUS Christ, Self-executing, Self-executable. Revelation 18:1-5
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Was Satan, son of perdition, born? Yes, he was, of course, decades ago

Don't you know that Satan has already been born? 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4 Now, now, he was born decades ago and is about to manifest himself very soon, do you know where? It's good to know and be prepared for the battle of Armageddom. Revelation 16: v. 13-16...

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[Charlie24]

No, Peter is obviously saying, we can’t deny them water Baptism now, since they have already received The Holy Spirit, to their shock.

It shows that the ordinary way to receive The Holy Spirit was by Baptism.

Cathode, this forum should be a safe place for you post without someone, such as myself, pounding you to death.

I have a strong zeal for the Lord, and I get carried away at times with it.

I should not have posted this way in this forum.

I apologize, and I will start paying more attention to where I'm posting.

 

[Cathode]

This is an "other religions" forum on a Baptist Board, so people here may believe what they want and answer to God. Agree that it is hard for me to stand solely on the New Testament rather than on fallible men who have gone hither and yon away from the simple inspired imperatives of God. The BIBLE teaches only believers' baptism. ONLY. It took only one generation to pervert this and twist salvation by grace into salvation by magic tinkles.

So if we go by the Bible (a Baptist distinctive) rather than church denominational dogma or tradition that us the opposite of the Bible, we will stand in opposition. I only pray God will open eyes to the Scriptural truth of repentance and faith alone for eternal life. We who believe in the blessings of heaven also believe in the eternal torment of hell . . . and don't want that for anyone.

Are you saying that all Christians for the first 1500 years are in hell? It was universal Christian belief that Baptism was Regeneration and they all baptised infants, by that measure, all of them would be in hell for gross error.

They all quote and interpret Jesus words in scripture about being “born again of water and Spirit “ as being Regenerational water Baptism. Not some, not a majority, but all of them.

Honestly Dr. Bob, I couldn’t find believers baptism in all the Early Church, I could only find Baptismal Regeneration and infant Baptism everywhere.
And I’ve had a 24 volume set of the Fathers from a young age and can recall most of them on doctrine by memory.
I can’t find believers baptism as doctrine or interpretation anywhere.

 

[Cathode]

You, cathode, are trapped in the Devil's trap, the destiny will be of unbearable punish and pains, as being adherent of the Great Whore.

I don’t think you should be judging people’s salvation mate and blaspheming Christ’s Church. It’s extremely ugly apart from anything else.

 

[Cathode]

Cathode, this forum should be a safe place for you post without someone, such as myself, pounding you to death.

I have a strong zeal for the Lord, and I get carried away at times with it.

I should not have posted this way in this forum.

I apologize, and I will start paying more attention to where I'm posting.

You’re alright mate, we’ve had fairly good conversations I think anyway.

 

[Cathode]

I'm glad you pointed that out, I had not noticed this is the "other religions" forum.

I've been to bold not realizing where I was posting.

I apologize for not recognizing this.

Be bold at stating your case, I don’t mind that. It’s only rudeness and condemnation that wrecks good conversations and communication.

And you haven’t done that.

 

[Walter]

Are you saying that all Christians for the first 1500 years are in hell? It was universal Christian belief that Baptism was Regeneration and they all baptised infants, by that measure, all of them would be in hell for gross error.

They all quote and interpret Jesus words in scripture about being “born again of water and Spirit “ as being Regenerational water Baptism. Not some, not a majority, but all of them.

Honestly Dr. Bob, I couldn’t find believers baptism in all the Early Church, I could only find Baptismal Regeneration and infant Baptism everywhere.
And I’ve had a 24 volume set of the Fathers from a young age and can recall most of them on doctrine by memory.
I can’t find believers baptism as doctrine or interpretation anywhere.

If they were able to present any historical record of 'believers baptism' in the first century they would rush to present it. As you said there isn't any controversy about infant baptism except how soon it would be done. They will always say the Early Church writers were all heretical and must be ignored. They did disagree on some teachings but guess what they all agreed upon? That's right-Baptismal regeneration.
Ignatius of Antioch sat at the feet of John and apparently they are asserting he was a raving heretic that spread Catholic doctrines after receiving the direct teaching of St. John.

 

[Cathode]

I try defending opposing arguments just for my precision and understanding.

If something isn’t internally consistent, it is indefensible I’ve found.

So I need to understand a thing exactly to appreciate its consistency.

 

[Oseas3]

I don’t think you should be judging people’s salvation mate and blaspheming Christ’s Church. It’s extremely ugly apart from anything else.

You are blind, ruled by blinds, blind leaders of the blind, so if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into the abyss.
Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

My Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Gather you together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.

The idolater and apostate and demonic church of Rome, and her idolaters adherents, will be cast into the everlasting fire from now on. The eternal perdition had/have a time to begin, this time arrived. It is done.

 

[Oseas3]

I try defending opposing arguments just for my precision and understanding.

If something isn’t internally consistent, it is indefensible I’ve found.

So I need to understand a thing exactly to appreciate its consistency.

Your opinion, and the opinion of those who think like you, is good for nothing, except a satanic trap.
The throat is an open sepulchre; with tongues have used deceit; poison of asps is under your lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, Destruction and misery are in the ways of yours, full of idolatry and witchcraft.

 

[Walter]

You are blind, ruled by blinds, blind leaders of the blind, so if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into the abyss.
Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

My Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Gather you together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.

The idolater and apostate and demonic church of Rome, and her idolaters adherents, will be cast into the everlasting fire from now on. The eternal perdition had/have a time to begin, this time arrived. It is done.

To me your SDA abortion mills are a stench in the Lord's nostrils.

 

[Oseas3]

To me your SDA abortion mills are a stench in the Lord's nostrils.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, Self-executing, Self-executable.
Your opinion, and the opinion of those who think like you, is good for nothing, except a satanic trap.
The throat is an open sepulchre; with tongues have used deceit; poison of asps is under your lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, Destruction and misery are in the ways of yours, full of idolatry and witchcraft.

 

[Cathode]

If they were able to present any historical record of 'believers baptism' in the first century they would rush to present it. As you said there isn't any controversy about infant baptism except how soon it would be done. They will always say the Early Church writers were all heretical and must be ignored. They did disagree on some teachings but guess what they all agreed upon? That's right-Baptismal regeneration.
Ignatius of Antioch sat at the feet of John and apparently they are asserting he was a raving heretic that spread Catholic doctrines after receiving the direct teaching of St. John.

Baptismal regeneration was universal, much of what I have read was that many delayed Baptism because it was always understood as regeneration.
Catechumens were all consistently taught baptism was Regeneration being born again.

“Baptism, then, is a purification from sins, a remission of trespasses, a cause of renovation and regeneration…Let us however, if it seems well, persevere in enquiring more fully and more minutely concerning Baptism, starting, as from the fountain-head, from the Scriptural declaration, ‘Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’ Why are both named, and why is not the Spirit alone accounted sufficient for the completion of Baptism? Man, as we know full well, is compound, not simple: and therefore the cognate and similar medicines are assigned for healing to him who is twofold and conglomerate:–for his visible body, water, the sensible element,–for his soul, which we cannot see, the Spirit invisible, invoked by faith, present unspeakably. For ‘the Spirit breathes where He wills, and thou hearest His voice, but canst not tell whence He cometh or whither He goeth.’ He blesses the body that is baptized, and the water that baptizes. Despise not, therefore, the Divine laver, nor think lightly of it, as a common thing, on account of the use of water. For the power that operates is mighty, and wonderful are the things that are wrought thereby.” Gregory of Nyssa, On the Baptism of Christ (ante A.D. 394).

“Time would fail me were I to try to lay before you in order all the passages in the Holy Scriptures which relate to the efficacy of baptism or to explain the mysterious doctrine of that second birth which though it is our second is yet our first in Christ.” Jerome, To Oceanus, 69:7 (A.D. 397).

“It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated through the agency of another’s will when that infant is brought to Baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn…’Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.’ The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was in one Adam.” Augustine, To Boniface, Epistle 98:2 (A.D. 408).

 

[Oseas3]

Baptismal regeneration was universal, much of what I have read was that many delayed Baptism because it was always understood as regeneration.
Catechumens were all consistently taught baptism was Regeneration being born again.

“Baptism, then, is a purification from sins, a remission of trespasses, a cause of renovation and regeneration…Let us however, if it seems well, persevere in enquiring more fully and more minutely concerning Baptism, starting, as from the fountain-head, from the Scriptural declaration, ‘Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’ Why are both named, and why is not the Spirit alone accounted sufficient for the completion of Baptism? Man, as we know full well, is compound, not simple: and therefore the cognate and similar medicines are assigned for healing to him who is twofold and conglomerate:–for his visible body, water, the sensible element,–for his soul, which we cannot see, the Spirit invisible, invoked by faith, present unspeakably. For ‘the Spirit breathes where He wills, and thou hearest His voice, but canst not tell whence He cometh or whither He goeth.’ He blesses the body that is baptized, and the water that baptizes. Despise not, therefore, the Divine laver, nor think lightly of it, as a common thing, on account of the use of water. For the power that operates is mighty, and wonderful are the things that are wrought thereby.” Gregory of Nyssa, On the Baptism of Christ (ante A.D. 394).

“Time would fail me were I to try to lay before you in order all the passages in the Holy Scriptures which relate to the efficacy of baptism or to explain the mysterious doctrine of that second birth which though it is our second is yet our first in Christ.” Jerome, To Oceanus, 69:7 (A.D. 397).

“It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated through the agency of another’s will when that infant is brought to Baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn…’Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.’ The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was in one Adam.” Augustine, To Boniface, Epistle 98:2 (A.D. 408).

When parents take the baby to be baptized in the baptismal font of the idolatrous and apostate Roman Catholic Church, in truth this demonic act is the handing over of the newborn to the Devil, it is LITERALLY the handing over the baby to the Devil, the dust of the earth that feeds the Devil for the entire life-> Revelation 12:4 combined with Genesis 3:13-14, take a look-. If he is not be born again, yes, if he is not born of the water-of the Word of GOD, and of the Spirit, and receive the power to be made children of GOD, and became of those who believe in His Name->JESUS-Luke 1:31, then will be cast, even baptized in the Roman Catholic Church, into the hell's fire. Would not it be your case, Cathode? Repent, Cathode, if you have a time to

 

[Walter]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, GOD Himself, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, Self-executing, Self-executable.
Your opinion, and the opinion of those who think like you, is good for nothing, except a satanic trap.
The throat is an open sepulchre; with tongues have used deceit; poison of asps is under your lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness, Destruction and misery are in the ways of yours, full of idolatry and witchcraft.

What matters is whether or not I have the right relationship with the Lord Jesus.

Your opinion and opinions of those who think like you is good for nothing. I know the seething hatred SDA's have for the Church. Your fangs are showing again.

 

[Walter]

You have nothing to do with the Word of GOD, but with the satanic dogmas and demonic doctrines of the Beast of sea, the ruler of the satanic church, the apostate, idolater and DEMONIC church of Rome, full of idolatry ndf witchcraft. What matters and prevails is the Judgment Seat of Christ, and here's the message of Him for all the idolaters: Depart from me, ye CURSED (yes, CURSED BY JESUS, understand? ), CURSED into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers. These shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.

Gee, I thought it was against the board rules to question another board members salvation???

I know who and what I worship and I'm quite sure that based on my relationship with Jesus my salvation is assured and all your accusations that I am the spawn of Satan mean zip.