Featured Baptismal Salvation?

Correct in the latter. We tend to muddy things. A true believer will be obedient, a goat will proclaim salvation and will walk in disobedience fully expecting heaven only to find that lawless living means never saved, Mt. 7:23. The sheep don't depend upon the baptism in water, but do so in the fact of their belief in the Christ who saves. Thus baptism isn't for salvation, but because of, it isn't the cause, but for true believers it is evidence.

 

True. I have family in the CoC. They do in fact teach baptismal regeneration and place the emphasis on the doing of baptism, but they will spin that a thousand different ways in attempt to deny this fact. It is Christ alone, faith that isn't alone, grace alone &c and true believers will be obedient to baptism.

There is more grave danger in easy believism, many are deceived by this, thinking they are born from above because they said a prayer. A few preachers around here go as far as to say there needs to be no fruit, no evidence, 'they said the prayer, they're in'! Hebrews 12:14 and other Scriptures beg to differ.

 

If a person which was saved and baptized into the Baptist church years ago and at that time believed in the free will of man but later in life embraced the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace need to be baptized again ?

 

As Whitefield correctly asserted, we may start off as arminians, but by His grace we become Calvinists (not the exact quote but similar enough). Since when does growth in truth require one to be baptized again, when growth in truth is actually Scriptural (Hebrews 6) and flies in the face of this being baptized again nonsense which is detrimental to moving forward and things that accompany salvation?

 

Yes. We have adopted at our church a 'public profession of repentance' v. a 'public profession of faith (belief)'.

 

The reason I ask this question, I and the pastor of a church I have attended for some time are at a disagreement and have been for some time about the answer to my question. I believe as you have stated preacher4truth but he insists that a person cannot be saved unless he hears the gospel under a sovereign grace preacher. Therefore he must be baptized again. This difference has kept us from having full fellowship for years because I will not denounce my salvation under a free will preacher.

 

I agree. I've heard of a preacher that preaches this same ideology that only under reformed preaching can one be saved. I'm attempting to get his name now, our son told me of him, yet I cannot remember his name, so I sent a text to him to find out who he is, as I would like to hear his point of view out of curiosity. He is somewhere in California if I recall correctly.

 

That doesn't even make sense! If he truly believes God is sovereign in election and salvation then one can be saved no matter who gives him the gospel! :BangHead:

 

You didn't get saved under anyone or anything. You were saved by Jesus, through faith, which came by hearing...Him, The Word of God.

 

You are correct. The basic idea behind eis is that it is like a pointer, that is, eis means 'make reference to' something. It does not mean to indicate the 'result of'. For example: The baptism of repentance is in reference to the remission of sins.

 

The second part of the verse clarifies that "but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned." It does NOT say 'but he that is unbaptised shall be condemned.' So, what is crucial to avoid condemnation? Belief! That's pretty plain, don't you think?

 

C of C also believe that a person can lose their salvation. They are as lost as they ever were! However, if perchance they are saved once again water baptism is not required this time around. Not to stir the pot but has your wife ever explained why? Seems to me that if water baptism is required for salvation it is required or salvation.

 

If a person came from the CoC and wanted to take membership, I'd ask him some questions to see if their beliefs in the CoC were a thing of the past or not. If they seemed sound in their doctrine, I would still require them to be rebaptized. The mode of the CoC's baptism isn't valid, biblically, imo.....

 

...and by that what you actually mean is:

'There is no such thing as regeneration separate from man's choice, ever.'

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'There is no such thing as the work of the law written upon the heart separate from man's personal decision , ever.'

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'There is no such thing as being born of the Spirit separate from man's free will, ever.'


....that no flesh should glory before God. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus... 1 Cor 1:29,30

But you just don't get that concept do you? It's of Allan that Allan is in Christ Jesus.

 

Yea, it's plain; belief plus baptism equals saved.

Now what's NOT so plain, what REALLY gets gommed up is, 'saved' from what? 'condemned' to what?

Insert your personal picks/preferences.

 

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Pet 3

That's pretty plain, don't you think? There is a 'salvation' in water baptism in this passage also.

 

No!!!!!!!!!!

Having said that I am not one who believes in once Baptized always Baptized unless one is talking about Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

For example: I was Baptized in a Southern Baptist Church. If I wanted to join a Prmative Baptist Church or an Old Regular Baptist Church I expect they would require Baptism. That would not be a problem for me as it has nothing to do with my Salvation!