Baptisms invalid

[Marooncat79]

Although not really a Christian denomination

I find this interesting

in reality, it really does not matter the words we use, but what the act symbolizes. I am sure RCC congregants are up in arms on this one. Additionally, does it really mean anything since the baptisms are not really valid anyways


An Arizona priest used one wrong word in baptisms for decades. They're all invalid

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Although not really a Christian denomination

I find this interesting

in reality, it really does not matter the words we use, but what the act symbolizes. I am sure RCC congregants are up in arms on this one. Additionally, does it really mean anything since the baptisms are not really valid anyways


An Arizona priest used one wrong word in baptisms for decades. They're all invalid

One could argue that since they are RCC they are all invalid, to begin with, but that is a different conversation. What is the motivation for the one who is getting baptized? Is it duty/obligation, or loving desire?

 

[Cathode]

Same for taking the oath of office, ya can’t muff up the wording.

 

[Marooncat79]

Magical words

 

[ntchristian]

I don't think any baptism of believers is invalid. Baptism of infants is another story. I don't see how baptism can be valid without faith/belief. The NT and early church (1st century - early second century) requires belief before baptism

 

[kyredneck]

...strain out the gnat, swallow the camel....

 

[Cathode]

...strain out the gnat, swallow the camel....

That’s a funny saying mate, what does it mean?

 

[kyredneck]

That’s a funny saying mate, what does it mean?

From the 'woe chapter':

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel! Mt 23

 

[Cathode]

From the 'woe chapter':

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel! Mt 23

Aah in context it’s familiar, but on its own I couldn’t place it. Thanks mate.

 

[canadyjd]

Good news, baptism doesn’t save them, whether the words are “correct or not.

Jesus will not lose any He has chosen for salvation. And He will certainly raise them up in the last day.

peace to you

 

[Lamb's Servant]

Good news, baptism doesn’t save them, whether the words are “correct or not.

Jesus will not lose any He has chosen for salvation. And He will certainly raise them up in the last day.

peace to you

If Baptism does not save then why did Our Lord and the Apostle Peter say that it did?

 

[Lamb's Servant]

Although not really a Christian denomination

I find this interesting

in reality, it really does not matter the words we use, but what the act symbolizes. I am sure RCC congregants are up in arms on this one. Additionally, does it really mean anything since the baptisms are not really valid anyways


An Arizona priest used one wrong word in baptisms for decades. They're all invalid

It does matter what words are used at Baptism. The priest cannot make up his own words to use. Baptism and the Church does not belong to him, his Bishop, or the Pope. The Church belongs to Christ. If Our Lord had a specific formula to use for Baptism, which He did in the last chapter of Matthew, then who are we to change it?

 

[AustinC]

One could argue that since they are RCC they are all invalid, to begin with, but that is a different conversation. What is the motivation for the one who is getting baptized? Is it duty/obligation, or loving desire?

It is connection to covenant.

 

[Jerome]

If Our Lord had a specific formula to use for Baptism, which He did in the last chapter of Matthew, then who are we to change it?

Nothing in that passage about having to use "I baptize..." instead of "We baptize..."

 

[Jerome]

from OP link:

"because baptism is the 'sacrament that grants access to all the others,' a botched baptism could invalidate any subsequent sacraments, including confirmation, marriage and holy orders."

"'What this means for you is, if your baptism was invalid and you've received other sacraments, you may need to repeat some or all of those sacraments after you are validly baptized as well,' the diocese said."

 

[atpollard]

It does matter what words are used at Baptism. The priest cannot make up his own words to use. Baptism and the Church does not belong to him, his Bishop, or the Pope. The Church belongs to Christ. If Our Lord had a specific formula to use for Baptism, which He did in the last chapter of Matthew, then who are we to change it?

So anyone that he baptized that has already died is damned for eternity (having never entered into the Body of Christ)?
Do you really believe that one priest and one word has damned hundreds? (Thousands if they do not rebaptize everyone he baptized).

 

[Marooncat79]

It does matter what words are used at Baptism. The priest cannot make up his own words to use. Baptism and the Church does not belong to him, his Bishop, or the Pope. The Church belongs to Christ. If Our Lord had a specific formula to use for Baptism, which He did in the last chapter of Matthew, then who are we to change it?

in Acts, they were baptizing in the name of Jesus, the Lord Jesus and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JesusFan]

Although not really a Christian denomination

I find this interesting

in reality, it really does not matter the words we use, but what the act symbolizes. I am sure RCC congregants are up in arms on this one. Additionally, does it really mean anything since the baptisms are not really valid anyways


An Arizona priest used one wrong word in baptisms for decades. They're all invalid

Per Rome, would all of them then be heading now towards Limbo if not redone?

 

[Marooncat79]

I do not believe in Limbo

it’s appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgement

 

[Marooncat79]

My understanding is that the Trinitarian name was not actually used by the majority of the Church until some time later

is that correct?