Baptist Hall Of Shame

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
I'm looking forward to seeing some of those guys in heaven as well as you.

I'm looking forward to seeing Lot and Saul in heaven. That doesn't change the fact that they earned their places in the hall of shame.

I wouldn't doubt that some of the men I mentioned are regenerate men. However, if some of them died believing what they preached, then they are in hell as we speak.

Mark Osgatharp

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Thank you for your reply. Though it does show a certain southern (yes, with a lower case "s") centerism. All of the men mentioned were leaders in the Conservative Baptist Fellowship of the Northern Baptist Convention later the CB Association. And following their withdrawal from the CBA, the formed part of the leadership of the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship. You may need a good telescope to see them from your sector of the Baptist Galaxy. But, they are bright stars in my sector.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Martin Luther King, Jr. should not be on that list. He did many, many times more for this country than most people who have lived in America. I proudly have a Florida license plate with his picture on it. In spite of his flaws (which we all have), he is most definitely a hero, not someone deserving of a spot on anyone's hall of shame.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by ScottEmerson:
In spite of his flaws (which we all have), he [King] is most definitely a hero, not someone deserving of a spot on anyone's hall of shame.

This is not about who is flawed and who isn't. It is about famous and influential Baptists whose overall "contribution" was negative. King, in my estimation, definately fits that bill. He, with all, black or white - liberal or conservative, who have politicized the ministry have done a definate disservice to the Baptist churches.

On top of that, King was a theological liberal. His "all God's children" statement is enough to cast a long shadow over his ministry (if going around integrating lunch counters can, indeed, by classified as a ministry in any biblical sense of the term).

Mark Osgatharp

 

[Fundamentalist1611]

Martin Luther King Jr. was a stinking communist. It's disgusting that we honor and celebrate a communist's birthday but not the father of our country, George Washington. Why don't people honor a decent black person like Booker T. Washington instead?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Let's play TRASH A BAPTIST for Jesus

If we can take off work to honor LABOR
i'll gladly take off work to hour Bro. Martin
Luther King, Jr.

 

[robycop3]

How about DR. PETER RUCKMAN...proven false prophet, personality of a Tasmanian devil, delusional(Alien ten-foot antichrist with huge black lips, will land in a mile-wide spaceship), extreme and totally-wrong KJVO(says the KJV corrects its Greek, Hebrew sources), teaches salvation by works during the Tribulation.

DR.JACK HYLES...carried on an adulterous affair for years, attested by his mistress' husband, among others, stated one may come to Jesus & be saved ONLY through the words of the KJV.

ROBERT INGERSOLL...prominent late 19th C., early 20th C. agnostic who was once a Baptist preacher who lost his faith because of the prophecies about Judah and Israel that hadn't come to pass, and that he saw no way they COULD come to pass.

 

[robycop3]

Actually, Dr. King was USED by the Commies who deceived him. In his many speeches, he invoked God's name and prayed quite often.

And who dya think whacked him? James Earl Ray? Not a chance. In many police seminars I attended, we were taught "modus operandi", the methods used, and the types of crimes a given perp is likely to use. Ray was a petty thief whose crimes would consist of things such as taking a bike from a porch. The chances he woulda pulled an armed robbery or mugging were next to zero. He had not been in the military and was never known to have fired a gun, and had never owned any, except the alleged murder weapon, which he had bought 6 days earlier.

The chances that he coulda been motivated to do a murder for hire were tiny, and even more tinier were the chances that someone wanting MLK dead woulda hired someone like Ray, with no shooting experience, to whack him, and even more tiny were the chances that someone with no more shooting experience than Ray coulda hit him from nearly a block away except by luck. Given Ray's biography,the chances that Ray would act entirely on his own are almost zero, especially given the fact that he was an escaped convict on the lam.

According to all the police seminars I've ever attended, the chances that ray shot MLK are just a quark above zero.

Please read a legitimate bio of Dr. King, THEN tell us what a Commie he was.


In all the years I've seen the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson on the media, I have NEVER heard him PRAY ALOUD once, and have never heard him mention GOD except in passing. THERE'S your commie, rather than Dr. King.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Very intersting Robycop3.I would be interested in your thoughts on the Kennedy assasination.You may pm me if you wish.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I'll agree with Robycop on Dr. King. (Though his views on Mr. Ray are best left to another thread.) As I've observed over the years, Communists love to use legitimate greviences to forward their own agenda.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
This is not about who is flawed and who isn't. It is about famous and influential Baptists whose overall "contribution" was negative. King, in my estimation, definately fits that bill. He, with all, black or white - liberal or conservative, who have politicized the ministry have done a definate disservice to the Baptist churches.

Absolutely not. In an era where Baptists were known as prejudiced and were supporters of segregation, Dr. King spoke out. Leading a cause for civil rights is not doing Baptists a disservice in the slightest. I wish more Baptists were committed to civil rights today.

On top of that, King was a theological liberal. His "all God's children" statement is enough to cast a long shadow over his ministry (if going around integrating lunch counters can, indeed, by classified as a ministry in any biblical sense of the term).

It was absolutely ministry. Had you been a minority in the 50's and 60's, I believe you would definitely recognize it as such.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

If I were going to pick a bad guy between King and Jesse Jackson who would I pick?

 

[mcdirector]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Let's play TRASH A BAPTIST for Jesus

 

[Filmproducer]

I have NEVER been so ASHAMED to call myself a BAPTIST in my life. This thread is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing. Whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged".

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
In the "Baptist Hall Of Fame" thread someone coined the term "Baptist Hall Of Shame." That gave me a thought to start this thread.

Mark Osgatharp

And where might you fit?

Thank God that today most Baptist churches have rid themselves of Baptist popery--landmarkism.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
Mark your list is very extensive.Who do you like?

So who do I like? The sort of Baptist who would make my "hall of fame" list would be a plain old Bible believing Baptist who believes that Jesus died for all and would have all men to come to the knowledge of the truth, and who has no part in the commercialization of the gospel.
</font>[/QUOTE]I am sure anyone could give close to 6 billion people they do not like but you have failed to name one.

Quit the political rhetoric and give us an answer.

Apparently you forgot God's word written in Phil. 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things."

 

[rsr]

I will let this thread run a bit longer, but keep it civil.

I will close it in a heartbeat if it gets any further off track — and maybe even if it doesn't.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Scott,

It is not speaking out for civil rights that is the problem. The problem is turning Christianity into a political movement as it was never meant to be, which, by the way, is exactly what is happening right now with Baptists and Republican partisan politics.

There was a black man who attended the Seminary I attended. He said that he didn't figure King was called to preach, because if he had he couldn't have had the opportunity to speak before the multitudes he did without preaching.

Mark Osgatharp

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Even in colonial times preachers(some Baptists)were at the forefront of American politics.All through our history preachers have become involved in human rights issues(slavery)and been involved in politics.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
Even in colonial times preachers(some Baptists)were at the forefront of American politics.All through our history preachers have become involved in human rights issues(slavery)and been involved in politics.

All that proves is that throughout history preachers have been involved in things they had no business being involved in. The Lord's kingdom is not of this world and the Lord's ministry is not a political ministry.

Mark Osgatharp