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Baptist Hermeneutics

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MB

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Alan Gross said:
The person in I Peter 2:6 that is said to not be confounded in Jesus, or ashamed of Jesus, is a Saved soul.

Is that what you are wanting to say?

Certainly a 'historical belief', or an 'agreement they exist', in the same way as 'believing' Christopher Columbus was a real person, isn't what you are saying is it.

In order to 'acquire Salvstion', by mentally 'believing'.

I hope not.

The 'believeth' on Him has to do with those who have already been Saved.

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This is a commentator.

Do you get the same types of 5hongs out of this verse that he does?

"behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious;
Christ is here called a chief corner stone, as in ( Ephesians 2:20 )

because he not only adorns and strengthens the building, but unites the parts, and keeps them together, even all the saints, Jews or Gentiles, in all ages and places, whether in heaven or earth;

and he, as such, is chosen of God for that purpose, and is precious both to God and man, on that account; and is a stone, not of men's laying,

but of God's laying in His Council, Covenant,
Promises,
and Prophecies,
in the mission of Hm into this world,
and in the Gospel ministry;

the place where He is Laid is in Sion, the Gospel church*, of which He is both the Foundation and Corner Stone:

and this account is introduced with a "behold", it being something very wonderful, and worthy of attention: to which is added,

he that believeth on him shall not be confounded:
or "ashamed"; of the Foundation and Cornerstone Christ, nor of his faith in Him;

and he shall not be confounded by men or devils, neither in this world, nor in that to come;

he shall have confidence before Christ, and not be ashamed at His Coming;

he shall be safe now, being laid on this stone; nor shall he be removed from it, or intimidated by any enemy, so as to flee from it; nor shall he make haste, as it is in ( Isaiah 28:16 ) to lay another foundation;

and he shall be found upon this hereafter; so that his person and state will be safe, though many of his works may be burnt up."

*The Bible usage and meaning in every instance 'church' is Written, defines 'church', as a 'called out assembly' and there is never any other definition used, or given, or indicated in any way, in The Bible.

In the Architectural medipuor off a 'building' that Jesus 'built', which is Jesus' Kind of assembled church congregation, as a Divinely Instituted Corporate Entity, Jesus is 'The Cheif Cornerstone'.

Any other religious, or social Bible get together, or corporation, that has a man as it's founder, or head, is not God's.

Referencing and reviewing the thoughts of Godly commentators doesn't hurt anyone.

1 Peter 2:6 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
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Are we to follow Christ or men? I was speaking about being confounded. If a man has the Holy Spirit he does not need men to tell him what scripture means. That is what the Holy Spirit does.
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MB

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37818 said:
Unless there is a problem with the base text (a known variant) or with the translation, it should be simply understood to mean what it plainly says.
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I know there are certain things that can be hard to understand. I rely on my God for explanations. I cannot rely on men for interpretation. For me it would be like going to a Catholic church and relying on every word of the priest..
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MB said:
Are we to follow Christ or men? I was speaking about being confounded. If a man has the Holy Spirit he does not need men to tell him what scripture means. That is what the Holy Spirit does.
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So, the entire verse and its meaning are oblivious to you?
 
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MB said:
Are we to follow Christ or men? I was speaking about being confounded. If a man has the Holy Spirit he does not need men to tell him what scripture means. That is what the Holy Spirit does.
MB
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God also give to us gifted teachers/preachers/pastors to expound on the Bible, correct?
 
Alan Gross

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Yeshua1 said:
God also give to us gifted teachers/preachers/pastors to expound on the Bible, correct?
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And, if they tell you this verse means,

"Smile America, God Loves you,
Don't Worry, Be Happy"?, is that it?

Is that pretty close to what you see God Saying, there?
 
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Alan Gross said:
So, you missed all of it, as if it were never Written?
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Missed what? ". . . Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. . . ." -- 1 Peter 2:6.
 
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37818 said:
Biblical Hermeneutics has been called the science of Biblical Interpretation. There are some things regarding Baptist Bible Interpretation which sets Baptist interpretation unique to Baptists. And then there are the eclectic interpretations in which individuals differ in interpretations of texts.

There are in distinction from Baptist Hermeneutics: Romans Catholic, Orthodox Church, Protestant, when it comes to interpreting passages of Holy Scripture.

Typically there is an eisegtical character to interpretations as opposed to their exegetical base which all good Biblcal interpretations have. Which sets an interpretation apart from what the interpretative text actually says.

So where there are Hermeneutical disagreements as to an interpretation of a text, it comes down to between eisegetical reading into the text versus the exegetical basis of an interpretation.

This issue is the identifying difference.

There is a broad range of issues of interpretation where this occurs.
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I see many very good questions to explore in this thread.

1) To be "in Christ" is to be "spiritually alive" and to be not "in Christ" is to be spiritually dead. Thus we start out spiritually dead, and are made alive when God puts us into Christ. This view was said to reflect unsound or unsupported interpretation. But actually those who deny this obvious truth are using unsound and unsupported interpretation.

2) Do the qualifications for church leaders reflect their post conversion actions and attributes, or would Paul be unqualified because he helped to murder Steven.

3) One of the keys to avoiding eisegesis is to ask "what is the least this verse or passage is saying?" If a person sees "the things" in the text and then interprets it to mean "all the things" the person is engaging in eisegesis.
 
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Missed what? ". . . Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. . . ." -- 1 Peter 2:6.
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In some way, I thought everyone was just avoiding the text, entirely, and not committing to it having anything to say.

". . . Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. . . ." -- 1 Peter 2:6

doesn't mean,

"Smile America, God Loves you,
Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

...to you, does it?
 
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37818 said:
There are many Christian groups which are non-Baptistic.
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I'm well aware of that.
37818 said:
There interpretations of the Bible are often much different from what would be the Baptist view point.
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Currently, there are three "Baptist" viewpoints on Scripture nowadays...

1) The "Calvinistic Baptist" viewpoint.
Think Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Rolfe Barnard, Henry Mahan, Don Fortner, etc.

2) The "Traditionalist Baptist" viewpoint.
Think Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, J. Frank Norris, John R. Rice, Adrian Rogers, Jack Hyles, etc.

3) The "Free Will" Baptist viewpoint,.
I d n't know any of their names.
 
Alan Gross

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MB said:
Don't you trust that God has the right answer

does not pertain to the subject besides like always it's your assumption
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Yeah, subjects are not your thing.

Psychology, maybe.

Mentally and emotionally:

"...he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. . . ." -- 1 Peter 2:6

just means,

"Smile America, God Loves you,
Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

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Alan Gross said:
And, if they tell you this verse means,

"Smile America, God Loves you,
Don't Worry, Be Happy"?, is that it?

Is that pretty close to what you see God Saying, there?
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No, are you saying that Paul never was inspired to write that God has given those gifted men to the church then?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
No, are you saying that Paul never was inspired to write that God has given those gifted men to the church then?
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I Peter 2:6 doesn't have any Gifted men in it. What verse are you talking about.

There is an extra-Biblical, Hermenutical error that prevents any rational discussion of a majority of The New Testament.

Of all the times 'church' is mentioned, it means, 'called-out assembly' and never has any other usage.

Let's go ahead and call that 'a church novice' and drop it. There is nothing to discuss regarding a church, when someone has no Biblical understanding of a church.

I am stupid to keep going through things that pertain to The Lord's Churches and if anyone here knows what one is, I haven't seen it.

They'll always say, "oh, yeah, but this", because they haven't seen it right.

We wind up talking about toy 'churches' men invented, or 'the church', which does not exist in Reality, so it's pure ignorance.

What is you question?

I can only answer it, Biblically, so it may have no application to that with which you think is going on.
 
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Alan Gross said:
I Peter 2:6 doesn't have any Gifted men in it. What verse are you talking about.

There is an extra-Biblical, Hermenutical error that prevents any rational discussion of a majority of The New Testament.

Of all the times 'church' is mentioned, it means, 'called-out assembly' and never has any other usage.

Let's go ahead and call that 'a church novice' and drop it. There is nothing to discuss regarding a church, when someone has no Biblical understanding of a church.

I am stupid to keep going through things that pertain to The Lord's Churches and if anyone here knows what one is, I haven't seen it.

They'll always say, "oh, yeah, but this", because they haven't seen it right.

We wind up talking about toy 'churches' men invented, or 'the church', which does not exist in Reality, so it's pure ignorance.

What is you question?

I can only answer it, Biblically, so it may have no application to that with which you think is going on.
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Did God give to us gifted teachers and theologians to help us understanding the Bible better?
 
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