Baptist View of Drinking and Smoking

[Joe]

Speaking of overindulgence in any area including food as well as alcohol:

What do reformed churches call a pot "luck" dinner?

a pot-predestined dinner or do they just put aside their theology for the evening?



HankD

It means one of the dishes in the potluck contains wacky tobacky.

So the "luck"y choose the right main dish

 

[EdSutton]

Oh ok, I hit the quote button before I remembered you were in Japan.

California is kinda' "far out", I agree, but I don't think it is in Japan, as of yet.

However, give it a couple of Magnitude 10s along the San Andreas fault line, and just maybe...

Ed

P.S. Or maybe the info on Joe is merely not up to date...

 

[EdSutton]

Imo, tea is natural, alcohol is a drug. Tea is better for your health (usually), except the caffeine might rev you up a little. Caffeine (a drug) can ruin you bones and cause wrinkles similar to alcohol, but doesn't affect your liver as much.

As far as I know, no one has ended up in bed with someone unplanned due to too much caffeine consumption. No one has ended up pregnant because their cognitive abilities were lowered. No one has imparied driving abilities. No one has been arrested for a glass of tea, though many around here, are arrested for 1/2 glass of wine because any amount of alcohol consomption and driving is DUI. Knowing this, if there is an emergency, one can always get up and take them to the hospital right then after drinking tea. What happens if there is an emergency in your home after you hac consumed alcohol? Who takes the kids to the hospital?

Immediately after only 1/2 glass of wine, everyone relaxes to the point of their natural defenses being removed. No action or word must take place. Just interacting with someone else is going to feel more "intimate" in this state of mind. That in itself, may be sin. It can feel like you are flirting with someone even though your expressions, demeanor, or words have not indicated such. This is why women (and men) come flocking over to others who suddenly "look appealing" in social drinking situations and you can't get rid of them. They don't get social cues, and linger longer taking about junk you have no interest in. They feel different inside, there is no natural instincs to evaluate situations as there were before. It's uncomfortable, I avoid those situations.

This is not to you Ann, but some select others. If you all are so hell bent on doing drugs then why don't you try Marijuana? It is lesser of the two evils. If you only take a hit, that should do. Two hits may be too much. The only sin I can see is if it is illegal. That personally doesn't bother me. If I needed to, I would smoke it. It is legal here anyway so there isn't a problem.
If you are going to drink alcohol., then I suggest you decide whether you feel it is sin. It is likely sinning worse than purchasing some weed from a friend. In fact, you don't know what they put in that bottle of alcohol, probably many other drugs (even a worm ) and you can probably trust your friend/acquaintance much easier. The fact is, in most situations, you are risking breaking the law by just ingesting the small amount of alcohol anyway. If there was an emergency, you know you have already decided you would drive if needed.

The effects of weed do not put one at the level of risk the alcohol does. It preserves your earthly tent better. I am not promoting either one, both are drugs which are bad for your body. Drugs should never be used for non-medicinal purposes. But since most here seem to want to promote drugs (alcohol) for non-medicinal purposes, this is why I am saying it.

But if a person insists upon doing drugs, I think you ought to pick the drug which is healthiest for your body. Exerciseand eating healthy (no drugs except for medicinal uses) provides a level of fix better than any drug can produce alone. If people were eating right and exercising, the alcohol couldn't provide a better fix. I am sure you will agree Ann, since you were a pretty heavy bike rider.

Marijuana produces a similar relaxed feeling without a hangover. There are no carnal desires (in fact, I beleive they are inhibited in a good way) and no drugs going into the the bloodstream. Only a small amount of smoke equalling about half of the smoke you would get from a puff of a cigarette. Relaxation lasts a few hours or so.

I believe the effects from only a half glass alcohol last a full 24 hours. Your body's natural process is not able to break down the foreign element of alcohol. Weed is not foreign to the body, and again, doesn't enter the bloodstream. Only a tiny amount of smoke enters the lungs.
I feel funny riding my bike the following day after only drinking a half a glass of wine. I didn't feel up to par, but not as bad, after a hit or two of weed the following day. Both are bad for your body and ought to be avoided.



I ride every other day, sometimes go as long as three days. Over the winter, it's longer such as right now. Probably only rode once a week in the last month.There was snow a few days ago. Like you, I crave that fix. During the winter time, I also crave coffee. Go through spurts buying it, and can get a headache if I don't drink it for a few days. It is highly addictive for me. So yes, there are many substances which provide a fix.

Only on the pages of the Baptist Board could a "booze" thread get derailed by "pot."

Ed

 

[Joe]

Only on the pages of the Baptist Board could a "booze" thread get derailed by "pot."

Ed

No, the thread didn't get derailed, even though you have quoted my post again. It's still only two posts from waht I see.

This is your second negative comment to me through your chiming in. (Unless the first post addressing me was a mistake, it appeared so)

Is there a problem?

 

[righteousdude2]

Arnold Believes as You Joe!

You are correct. I looked it up. Your laws aren't as stringent, as it starts at 5%
That's encouraging . Sorry, I am spewing out California law as if it applies all over.

As a fellow Callie-fornian, I too believe our laws apply across the board in every state and nation :laugh: .

Pastor Paul

 

[Dale-c]

My brother lives in CA and one thing I have learned is that it is like a different country in many ways as far as laws go.

Of course there are about as many people in California and there are in Canada.

 

[dcorbett]

the Bible says:
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;..." II Cor. 6:17

and if you don't feel convicted...

"But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak." I Cor 8:9

 

[youngmom4]

No, the thread didn't get derailed, even though you have quoted my post again. It's still only two posts from waht I see.

This is your second negative comment to me through your chiming in. (Unless the first post addressing me was a mistake, it appeared so)

Is there a problem?

Do you really think it is okay to promote/condone the use of an illegal substance on a Christian board? I think Ed's trying to point this out nicely. Pot affects people just as negatively as alcohol does...believe me, just about everyone in my family smoked it when I was growing up. The only difference is alcohol is legal and pot isn't. So, you really shouldn't be advising people to use an illegal substance that will cause them a lot more damage than a glass of wine or one beer will.

 

[EdSutton]

No, the thread didn't get derailed, even though you have quoted my post again. It's still only two posts from waht I see.

This is your second negative comment to me through your chiming in. (Unless the first post addressing me was a mistake, it appeared so)

Is there a problem?

No, there is no problem with you, from me, at least.

I have over 5K posts. To my knowledge, I have none that are "negative comments" directed at anyone, only subjects under discussion, in any given thread. If I have seemed to "make it personal", it was not and is not intended, on my part.

I have also agreed with some of your (and others) posts, as well. But that is again as to subjects, and is not intended as an indictment of one you are ccommenting toward, nor is it meant to be a personal endorsement of or to anyone, when I agree with something that has been said.

I was merely commenting that eight pages were in the thread, before "MaryJane" entered the discussion. From reading the posts, I think you were the first to mention it in post #85. (I'll admit I could be wrong on this, and am not going to reread every post to double check, after reading them and glancing over them again, already.) And this was actually the first time I commented on one of your posts, in the thread. My previous comment was directed at another who "placed you in Japan", when I thought you were in California, which apparently you actually are. The other poster later corected himself, as to your location.

The post may not have gotten derailed, but it does appear some of the spikes holding the track in place, are getting a bit loose, as this train rumbles along. I'll see if I can find my sledge and tighten up a few of the spikes, before the next car passes over the rail in question.

Ed

 

[Joe]

No, there is no problem with you, from me, at least.

I have over 5K posts. To my knowledge, I have none that are "negative comments" directed at anyone, only subjects under discussion, in any given thread. If I have seemed to "make it personal", it was not and is not intended, on my part.

I have also agreed with some of your (and others) posts, as well. But that is again as to subjects, and is not intended as an indictment of one you are ccommenting toward, nor is it meant to be a personal endorsement of or to anyone, when I agree with something that has been said.

I was merely commenting that eight pages were in the thread, before "MaryJane" entered the discussion. From reading the posts, I think you were the first to mention it in post #85. (I'll admit I could be wrong on this, and am not going to reread every post to double check, after reading them and glancing over them again, already.) And this was actually the first time I commented on one of your posts, in the thread. My previous comment was directed at another who "placed you in Japan", when I thought you were in California, which apparently you actually are. The other poster later corected himself, as to your location.

The post may not have gotten derailed, but it does appear some of the spikes holding the track in place, are getting a bit loose, as this train rumbles along. I'll see if I can find my sledge and tighten up a few of the spikes, before the next car passes over the rail in question.

Ed

Thanks for the explanation and the apology at the other post. It was certainly a misunderstanding, something I didn't think about when using Joe as a user name. Feel free to continue to agree or disagree :thumbs:

 

[Joe]

Do you really think it is okay to promote/condone the use of an illegal substance on a Christian board?

What is this, a joke? Did you read the post before replying?

As my post stated many times, I do not agree with drugs being used for non-medicinal purposes, including alcohol. But I don't view it as sin necessarily either.

I think Ed's trying to point this out nicely.

No again. He would not misunderstand as you have. He generally reads posts before responding.

affects people just as negatively as alcohol does...believe me, just about everyone in my family smoked it when I was growing up.

Interesting. I also grew up in a similar household, smoking weed at times as a very young child, but as I got into middle school, became and remained very straight. I don't count those early years, don't remember them well. After that, at my age of accountablity (11yrs up) I smoked pot very rarely. Grew up around drugs, family and friends, including my own friends using drugs and alcohol, know it well. Never cared for it.

If you read my post, it is citing the dangers of alcohol such as it often causes violent behavior. Any cop can attest to the damage of alcohol being much worse than marijuana. Domestic violence, child abuse, killings, assult are not caused by stoners. We have one retired Cop who posts here. Where we live, marijuana is perscribed for everything from headaches to a stubbed toe. There are no regulations, so it's being misused as a social drug. It is legal to buy it from an authorized friend, most here buy it from people they already know who are authorized to grow and sell it. It's a small town, people know one another. All you need is a perscription, but of course, some don't have it though it is easy to get. We have no marijuana pharmacies, just a marijuana club. The wholeset-up is very shabby. Ordinary people acting as pharmacists to other "patients'

difference is alcohol is legal and pot isn't.

Wrong again. Marijuana is legal in MANY states. Aren't you a law student?

, you really shouldn't be advising people to use an illegal substance that will cause them a lot more damage than a glass of wine or one beer will.

We already had a misunderstanding due to your not reading my posts. Either read them fully before attacking or posting anything negative, or don't reply to them at all. Or at least ask for clarification first. I may edit the post later. Ed just posted to me using the word Joe, yet it wasn't directed at me. Somehow I just knew he wouldn't talk to me that way, so please give me the benefit of the doubt.

Weed is legal in many STATES and it doesn't cause more damage than a glass of wine or beer. (To one's health or society at large)

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Wrong again. Marijuana is legal in MANY states.

Only ten - and they are for medicinal purposes. Recreational use is never legal.

 

[Joe]

Only ten - and they are for medicinal purposes. Recreational use is never legal.

True...

 

[EdSutton]

I think Ed's trying to point this out nicely.

No again. He would not misunderstand as you have. He generally reads posts before responding.

Uh - thanks, I think... .

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Where we live, marijuana is perscribed for everything from headaches to a stubbed toe. There are no regulations, so it's being misused as a social drug. It is legal to buy it from an authorized friend, most here buy it from people they already know who are authorized to grow and sell it. It's a small town, people know one another. All you need is a perscription, but of course, some don't have it though it is easy to get. We have no marijuana pharmacies, just a marijuana club. The wholeset-up is very shabby. Ordinary people acting as pharmacists to other "patients'

Not exactly what we usually think of or describe as "a prescribed (or controlled) substance", to say the least.

Weed ... doesn't cause more damage than a glass of wine or beer. (To one's health or society at large)

That is at best, an opinion, and does not happen to be one held by all members of either the medical community and/or society, at large, FTR.

I am neither knowledgeable enough nor informed enough to make such a determination for or against, personally, so will not add my own ignorance to the debate.

Ed

 

[Joe]

Not exactly what we usually think of or describe as "a prescribed (or controlled) substance", to say the least.That is at best, an opinion, and does not happen to be one held by all members of either the medical community and/or society, at large, FTR.

I am neither knowledgeable enough nor informed enough to make such a determination for or against, personally, so will not add my own ignorance to the debate.

Ed

Imo, we need to take a stand against all recreational drugs (including alcohol), legal or not. Drugs should be used for medicinal uses only. Drugs are not healthy.

To legalize any drug, marijuana or alcohol, for non-medicinal uses is wrong. Both are very potent and a person needs to be under a Doctors care before taking any significant amount (such as a glass of wine). Their family medical history should be examined to determine if it is in their best interests. Whether legal or not, if someone needs that drug to remain healthy, they should have a right to it.

Lest I be viewed as self-righteous, my sins are no worse than the drinkers on this BB board. In fact, I believe my sins may be equal or easily much worse than just drinking a glass of wine!

And no one has "promoted alcohol" or drugs on this board from what I see. Just stood their ground in a debate. But what does it tell the world, the one's who cannot handle the drink? The people pre-disposed to becoming alcoholics because Daddy and Grandpa were? Why forsake them?

I am not convinced drinking alcohol is sin. Bible verses appear to condradict one another. Yet I see how in most circumstances, it is sin. Verses warn us against alcohol, then appearing to view it as ok. To be safe, it appears best to avoid it. Especially if our salvation is at stake.

It isn't healthy to society at large for people to be ingesting drugs unnecessarily. This is my last post, thanks to everyone for their patience

 

[webdog]

To legalize any drug, marijuana or alcohol, for non-medicinal uses is wrong.

Even coffee?

 

[HankD]

Even coffee?

Coffee is medicine. Isn't it?

HankD

 

[Joe]

Even coffee?

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[Joe]

Weed is legal in many states and it doesn't cause more damage than a glass of wine or beer. (To one's health or society at large)

Your reply...

.That is at best, an opinion, and does not happen to be one held by all members of either the medical community and/or society, at large, FTR.
I am neither knowledgeable enough nor informed enough to make such a determination for or against, personally, so will not add my own ignorance to the debate.

Ed

I underlined (in your post) what I am responding to-

The National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence
"Among violent crimes the offender is far more likely to have been drinking than under the influence of other drugs, with the exception of robberies where other drugs are as almost as likely to have been used as alcohol."http://www.ncadd.org/facts/fyicrime.html

Yes, alcohol is clearly causes more damage to society at large than weed. This includes health wise yet I am not in the mood to research it. Both drugs, imo, ought to be avoided except for medicinal uses only. Hopefully, we can agree with this. If not, agree to disagree then.