Baptist View On Same Gender Marriage

[Thinkingstuff]

I don't know if the bible can get any clearer. Homosexual activity is sinful. This would include Marriage and Civil Unions. God destroyed cities and almost wiped out Benjamin because of this type of activity. Its a perversion of the pro-creative activity that humanity takes part in. Its an assault not only on procreation, but creation itself as it mocks life and the making of it.

 

[thegospelgeek]

Surely your not suggesting that God brings homosexual/sodomite unions together?

He is saying that God has joined a marriage together and a gay union will in no way weaken that union.

What he is missing is that the union weakens the view of marriage by those who do not know Christ. They see a union, a marriage, and shakin up as the same.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

He is saying that God has joined a marriage together and a gay union will in no way weaken that union.

What he is missing is that the union weakens the view of marriage by those who do not know Christ. They see a union, a marriage, and shakin up as the same.

Ahh, I see now what he was saying.

And I agree. A society that begins to condone homosexual behavior is a depraved society. Since homosexuality is a judgment from God against those who reject Him, then a society condoning and legalizing the behavior is a society that has rejected the true God.

The ministers of the Gospel then should call the people to repentance and faith in Jesus, and not compromise one single inch with the state/province.

 

[thegospelgeek]

Ahh, I see now what he was saying.

And I agree. A society that begins to condone homosexual behavior is a depraved society. Since homosexuality is a judgment from God against those who reject Him, then a society condoning and legalizing the behavior is a society that has rejected the true God.

The ministers of the Gospel then should call the people to repentance and faith in Jesus, and not compromise one single inch with the state/province.

It is a REALLY interesting study to do a historical review of scocieties who have accepted homosexual behavior as a common practice.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

It is a REALLY interesting study to do a historical review of scocieties who have accepted homosexual behavior as a common practice.

How about someone who has done that already..got a link? lol

 

[pinoybaptist]

We can open the Bible and bring our soapboxes with us to the Hyde Parks of our communities and it wouldn't matter.
God's injunctions and commands against the practice of sodomy and homosexuality is directed at those who name His Name, not against those who don't. The former had Jesus Christ stand in their stead, the latter will have their day in God's court before the Great White Throne.

For that reason, I will not force on anyone who does not know Christ what the Bible says because I have no reason to expect them to obey, or demand that they obey, notwithstanding the many "Christians" out there who say they are redeemed and yet by their actions and lifestyle declare sin more powerful than the Savior who redeemed them.

I have a niece who is a lesbian, her sibling who is a sodomite, and had a couple of aunts who were lesbians, and an uncle who is an "abuser of himself with mankind".

I am not ashamed to call them my relatives, and love them to death, but if they ask me, and they had, what the Bible says about this issue, I give it to them full power, no apologies, IF they ask.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

We can open the Bible and bring our soapboxes with us to the Hyde Parks of our communities and it wouldn't matter.
God's injunctions and commands against the practice of sodomy and homosexuality is directed at those who name His Name, not against those who don't. The former had Jesus Christ stand in their stead, the latter will have their day in God's court before the Great White Throne.

For that reason, I will not force on anyone who does not know Christ what the Bible says because I have no reason to expect them to obey, or demand that they obey, notwithstanding the many "Christians" out there who say they are redeemed and yet by their actions and lifestyle declare sin more powerful than the Savior who redeemed them.

I have a niece who is a lesbian, her sibling who is a sodomite, and had a couple of aunts who were lesbians, and an uncle who is an "abuser of himself with mankind".

I am not ashamed to call them my relatives, and love them to death, but if they ask me, and they had, what the Bible says about this issue, I give it to them full power, no apologies, IF they ask.

This discussion then could take a bit of a turn and ask what role should the Bible play in setting the moral standards for society. It seems the founders of our nation (USA) believed the Law of God should serve as the foundation for our own civil laws. Or do we let the wicked run the nations?

 

[thegospelgeek]

We can open the Bible and bring our soapboxes with us to the Hyde Parks of our communities and it wouldn't matter.
God's injunctions and commands against the practice of sodomy and homosexuality is directed at those who name His Name, not against those who don't. The former had Jesus Christ stand in their stead, the latter will have their day in God's court before the Great White Throne.

For that reason, I will not force on anyone who does not know Christ what the Bible says because I have no reason to expect them to obey, or demand that they obey, notwithstanding the many "Christians" out there who say they are redeemed and yet by their actions and lifestyle declare sin more powerful than the Savior who redeemed them.

I have a niece who is a lesbian, her sibling who is a sodomite, and had a couple of aunts who were lesbians, and an uncle who is an "abuser of himself with mankind".

I am not ashamed to call them my relatives, and love them to death, but if they ask me, and they had, what the Bible says about this issue, I give it to them full power, no apologies, IF they ask.

I understand your point and I also have family who practice these sins as well as others. I love them with all my heart and do not place them in a "different" category than any other sinner. What I am concerned about is the nations overall acceptance of sin. Not just homosexual activity, but other forms of sin in general. I do know that the family is being attacked. One of the most deceptive forms of attack is to convince people that sin is acceptable. Read the history of the Jews given to us in scripture to see what happens to a culture that accepts immoral behavior in any form. Study the Greeks or Romans.

The OP is in reference to gay marriage and unions. I am not saying we should attack or go out of our way to condem gays. I, like you, will speak out when asked. I'll preach on it if that is what God lays on my heart for a service, but will in no way spew hatered from the pulpit of be rude to someone because of their homosexuality. If that is how I come accross I am truly sorry.

 

[thegospelgeek]

This discussion then could take a bit of a turn and ask what role should the Bible play in setting the moral standards for society. It seems the founders of our nation (USA) believed the Law of God should serve as the foundation for our own civil laws. Or do we let the wicked run the nations?

I would much rather you dig into it and see what conclusions you come up with. I am far from a historian.

 

[jaigner]

I truly believe that allowing gay unions absolutely degrades marriage. Marriage was constituted by God as a picture of the lifelong commitment between a male and female as a picture of the relationship between Christ and the Church. If Satan can distort that picture, then when we read scripture decribing our relationship with Christ as such, we can not get the concept that the scripture is communicating. Gay unions are just another distortion in the same form as divorce, poor fathers, poor mothers, and other attacks on the family. Many in the church just don't see it.

I will say I truly believe your statement about the framework for marriage.

Do you think divorce should be illegal? What about adultery? My guess is that you believe those things degrade marriage, as well, but should they be illegal? People are free to commit those acts if they wish, but most of us, I'm sure would not claim that those fit into God's ideal of marriage.

My point is, I guess, that God's institution is not going to be threatened by any expression of sinful hearts under the sun. Christians need to be about showing people how their hearts can be changed, instead of trying to control their behaviors.

Legislating morality doesn't change people's hearts.

 

[thegospelgeek]

I will say I truly believe your statement about the framework for marriage.

Do you think divorce should be illegal? What about adultery? My guess is that you believe those things degrade marriage, as well, but should they be illegal? People are free to commit those acts if they wish, but most of us, I'm sure would not claim that those fit into God's ideal of marriage.

My point is, I guess, that God's institution is not going to be threatened by any expression of sinful hearts under the sun. Christians need to be about showing people how their hearts can be changed, instead of trying to control their behaviors.

Legislating morality doesn't change people's hearts.

Divorce(most) and adultery(all) are also sins. They have become an ingrained part of our culture. If a no fault divore was currently illegal I would be against legalizing it for the same reasons I am against legalizing a gay union. It gives it a stamp of approval.

I think you and I agree that the real problem is the heart of man. If enough people were saved and lived a christain life most of the issues we face would go away.

 

[righteousdude2]

Please EXplain...

PS seems as though RD2 has fallen victim to L.E.F.T.

... okay, I'll bite. What are you making reference to with this comment ???:type:

 

[righteousdude2]

Here's My Point...

I have a niece who is a lesbian, her sibling who is a sodomite, and had a couple of aunts who were lesbians, and an uncle who is an "abuser of himself with mankind".

I am not ashamed to call them my relatives, and love them to death, but if they ask me, and they had, what the Bible says about this issue, I give it to them full power, no apologies, IF they ask.

Like you, I have a lesbian family member... MY DAUGHTER. But, unlike you, I am ashamed to call her my daughter. Ashamed because she not only flaunts and throws her chosen path in my face when she can, but, she has divided our family over the issue, and my step-sister and her family fully support her being a lesbian, and will have nothing to do with me because of how I feel toward her.

I know I love my daughter, but, her disdain and outward blasphemy of God's love for her, has made me truly ashamed to call her my daughter.

She was once saved, and followed God. She has not only perverted her spirit, heart and mind with her sexual sin, she mocks God by telling everyone, that she serves and follows the same God as her father (me).

I can only pray that she find her way back to that narrow road before it's too late. As for my family members, they claim to follow and love God too, but, they believe I'm an over zealous, religious fanatic, who needs to move into the new age of religion. They tell me, that I'm the one going to hell, because I don't believe God made gay folks, and that to say homosexuality is a sin, is my own sin of judgment, and it will send me to hell for condemning what God has sanctioned.

The world and a portion of my family have gone crazy, and are lost in their liberal, far left view of God and the Word of God.

I wish I had your patience, but, my situation is far worse, because it is quite evident that the devil has a strong on hold their hearts.

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[righteousdude2]

Thanks for Your Comments....

.... thus far I am pleased with the statistics I've received. However, the poll shows that some believers do feel civil unions are acceptable. There is some very good points made by many of you against civil unions, and I'd like to make one additional point:

If civil unions were made a law, it would not be that many years before the gay right leaders would demand that America merge civil unions with marriage.

Stopping civil unions, even though many believe that gay couples deserve the right to share legal responsibilities, is still a sin, and the church must redraw that proverbial "line-in-the-sand" to make a stand that says either way, and, no matter what you call it, civil unions are still as much a sin as legal marriages between same-sex genders.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[Revmitchell]

Surely your not suggesting that God brings homosexual/sodomite unions together?

No I believe he was suggesting that since God joined us then there is no threat to our marriages if there are civil unions. Quite the strawman.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Like you, I have a lesbian family member... MY DAUGHTER. But, unlike you, I am ashamed to call her my daughter. Ashamed because she not only flaunts and throws her chosen path in my face when she can, but, she has divided our family over the issue, and my step-sister and her family fully support her being a lesbian, and will have nothing to do with me because of how I feel toward her.

I know I love my daughter, but, her disdain and outward blasphemy of God's love for her, has made me truly ashamed to call her my daughter.

She was once saved, and followed God. She has not only perverted her spirit, heart and mind with her sexual sin, she mocks God by telling everyone, that she serves and follows the same God as her father (me).

I can only pray that she find her way back to that narrow road before it's too late. As for my family members, they claim to follow and love God too, but, they believe I'm an over zealous, religious fanatic, who needs to move into the new age of religion. They tell me, that I'm the one going to hell, because I don't believe God made gay folks, and that to say homosexuality is a sin, is my own sin of judgment, and it will send me to hell for condemning what God has sanctioned.

The world and a portion of my family have gone crazy, and are lost in their liberal, far left view of God and the Word of God.

I wish I had your patience, but, my situation is far worse, because it is quite evident that the devil has a strong on hold their hearts.

Pastor Paul :type:

I am truly very sorry for the predicament you are in, my brother, but just keep your eyes focused on Jesus, and ask Him for wisdom.
I can feel your pain, because I too am a father.

All I can offer you at this point is the advice to love your daughter, regardless of who she is.
Be patient with her.
God is just, and He is infinitely wise.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able ; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 1 Corinthians 10-:13 (this Scripture was addressed to a church who had former sodomites as members).

 

[Jim1999]

Obviously, the laws in the USA and in Canada differ regarding marriage and unions.

Marriage laws are dictated federally and administered provincially. Ministers are licenced by each different province and NOT by their church.

Each couple to be married must have a licence. A Christian couple may get married without a formal licence by having their banns published in church on three consecutive sundays.

Had we not stepped in with sound advice regarding unions and marriages, the law would have included both as marriages. Sometimes we have to compromise toget what we want, and it worked for us.

I can't stop what society is doing. I can only be true to the Word in my sphere of operations, my local church.

I hope this helps to understand our differences and hence the remarks that Canadians may offer in this field. We don't compromise what we believe about homosexuality or lesbianism, and we truly believe that marriage is for life. God being our keeper.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[jaigner]

I hope this helps to understand our differences and hence the remarks that Canadians may offer in this field. We don't compromise what we believe about homosexuality or lesbianism, and we truly believe that marriage is for life. God being our keeper.

This, I believe, is a faithful response to the issue.

And I would again say that changed hearts will be way more effective than changed laws.

 

[righteousdude2]

Thanks....

I am truly very sorry for the predicament you are in, my brother, but just keep your eyes focused on Jesus, and ask Him for wisdom.
I can feel your pain, because I too am a father.

All I can offer you at this point is the advice to love your daughter, regardless of who she is.
Be patient with her.
God is just, and He is infinitely wise.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able ; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 1 Corinthians 10-:13 (this Scripture was addressed to a church who had former sodomites as members).

Your compassion and wisdom is why I love this forum. :wavey:

 

[Mississippi John]

RD2, My advice for you, for what it's worth, ....continue to love your daughter. Maybe...just maybe, she is being true to the way she was made. To be openly gay in this culture, takes a lot of God-given guts.

God don't make mistakes.