"Baptist"

[Martin Marprelate]

We do not have any account of them baptizing infants. We also have no account of them baptizing 100 year old women. Arguments from silence can be troublesome.

They are indeed! Therefore we baptize whom the Bible says to baptize. 'But when they believed Philip as he preached......both men and women were baptized' (Acts 8:12). 100 year old women are still women, therefore we have a mandate to baptize them. We don't have a mandate to baptize women.

I personally believe in believers baptism by immersion. I don't think we should baptize young children, but won't break fellowship if people disagree.

Fine by me.

Martin Luther said that just because a child cannot express faith in a way we can understand, doesn't mean they cannot express it in a way God can understand.

Now that is an argument from silence.

As an example, if you believe God Holy Spirit indwells a person when they have faith in Jesus (and I do), and that infants cannot express such faith, please explain how John the Baptizer was filled with Holy Spirit while in his mother's womb?

According to Luke 1:41, the baby leaped in Elizabeth's womb and she was filled with the Holy Spirit. But it is a huge stretch from one baby leaping in the womb to all babies being regenerate, if that is what you're suggesting.

 

[HankD]

I consider that Saved distinctive to be ambiguious. All the Baptist Churches I’ve been to do indeed have unsaved people in them and attending as members.

"Saved" - In all the Baptists churches I've been to a profession of faith is required for "believers" .

Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ

Just curious and admitting that church membership does not guarantee salvation and potentially some can be unsaved - How did you actually know indeed that the unsaved members are/were "unsaved people" in these churches you had been to?

 

[loDebar]

That isn’t the reason for infant baptism... the reason is to wash away sin. Essentially a Baptist is dunking because it is supposed to be a sign (a testimony if you like) to someone’s being saved. These are two different things.

Baptism is not to wash away sin. It is to show we subscribe to the death burial and resurrection of Jesus in our lives

 

[JonC]

Oh yea, how bout kilts... I got scots in the family and they wear them, especially to weddings and they are gonna want to play the bagpipes also when my son finally gets married. Then there is the tradition of the scotch drinking (copious amounts of toasts) ... I don’t think they do that in IFB churches.

I could probably get away with the kilt, but they'd probably look at the Scotch bottle like they look at my NASB.

 

[atpollard]

this one isn't like that (although most do wear dresses....the women, not the men).

So you are NOT doing things like Jesus did!
(dresses for everybody)

 

[atpollard]

"Saved" - In all the Baptists churches I've been to a profession of faith is required for "believers" .


Just curious and admitting that church membership does not guarantee salvation and potentially some can be unsaved - How did you actually know indeed that the unsaved members are/were "unsaved people" in these churches you had been to?

They drink and smoke and the women wear slacks!!!!

 

[Reformed]

Thank you.... however she is in heaven and I await the day when I can be with her again. BTW, she was the one who emphasized Christ in my life... through all that hard living, Christ saw us through. Thank you for reminding me.

I do just that! More than any place on the planet, I have seen terrible sins against Almighty God perpretrated by the church which is supposed to worship and honor God.. that includes two IFB supposed disciplines. So am I supposed to blithely go running into a church again to be abused?!? To quote Gandi, “I like your Christ but I don’t like your Christians.”

While I empathize with your experience, it does not negate the hallmarks of a local church. Church discipline, baptism, the Lord's supper, preaching, congregational signing et al. remain a part of a healthy local church.

 

[HankD]

They drink and smoke and the women wear slacks!!!!

 

[loDebar]

The rules of behavior mentioned here were reflections of worldly behavior years ago,. They have become the focus of those in the church and those outside the church, both are misguided. Instead the focus should be the spiritual over the physical.
Both are legalism.

 

[tyndale1946]

I am a Sovereign Grace Old Line Old School Baptist of the Primitive kind... We are also known by those that disagree with us as Hardshellers' but don't get us mixed up with the No Hellers... In the Baptist landscape there are Heinz 57 varieties and then some... There are isms, chisms, splits and divisions... And you thought you were just a Baptist?... Brother Glen

 

[loDebar]

Error attacks from all sides, We should believe as scripture teaches.

New doctrine requires a new and cannot continue to be as Baptist

 

[Felipe Rios]

I've heard it said, "John was a Baptist, Jesus was a Baptist, and so am I" or things to that effect, and I was wondering how far our Baptists on here take that.

The range of possibilities is quite broad -- anywhere from "We should baptize people" (you'd be hard pressed to find someone claiming the name of Christ who doesn't believe that) through "we rebaptize people based on XYZ" all the way over to "short hair on men, long on women (and no pants on them, either!), 1611 KJVO, bus-running, etc." (i.e. particular kinds of groups using the label "baptist", confessional or otherwise).

Where do you (my dear reader) fall on the spectrum? Where would you categorize yourself? (If you've picked "Baptist" on your profile in the "Faith" option.)

I don't put a lot of emphasis on names as I do to doctrine. My church changed its name from Missionary Baptist Church to New City Church and we are still Baptist in doctrine and linage.
Yes a name can be important but there are many Baptist churches who do not have Baptist Doctrine and there are many Baptist Churches who do not act like biblical Baptists but rather act more like Pharisees Baptists.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"Saved" - In all the Baptists churches I've been to a profession of faith is required for "believers" .


Just curious and admitting that church membership does not guarantee salvation and potentially some can be unsaved - How did you actually know indeed that the unsaved members are/were "unsaved people" in these churches you had been to?

By their actions.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Baptism is not to wash away sin. It is to show we subscribe to the death burial and resurrection of Jesus in our lives

Are you a Catholic?

 

[canadyjd]

They are indeed! Therefore we baptize whom the Bible says to baptize. 'But when they believed Philip as he preached......both men and women were baptized' (Acts 8:12). 100 year old women are still women, therefore we have a mandate to baptize them. We don't have a mandate to baptize women.

Fine by me.

Now that is an argument from silence.

According to Luke 1:41, the baby leaped in Elizabeth's womb and she was filled with the Holy Spirit. But it is a huge stretch from one baby leaping in the womb to all babies being regenerate, if that is what you're suggesting.

You are correct, both men and women were baptized.

You are correct, Elizabeth was filled with the Spirit. However, if you read Luke 1:15, the angel promised the baby (John) would be filled with the Spirit from the womb.

I didn't say all babies were regenerate (or that any were regenerate for that matter), I simply repeated a theory concerning infants being able to express faith in a way God can understand, but we cannot.

They evidence given to support that theory is that John was filled with the Spirit while in his mother's womb.

I find that theory interesting, and see no reason why God could not do that.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I could probably get away with the kilt, but they'd probably look at the Scotch bottle like they look at my NASB.

I could see myself asking those IFB people what type of scotch they drink? Then telling them, I wasn’t referring to corn squeezing.

 

[HankD]

By their actions.

OK but you could be wrong. God looks upon the heart.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am a Sovereign Grace Old Line Old School Baptist of the Primitive kind... We are also known by those that disagree with us as Hardshellers' but don't get us mixed up with the No Hellers... In the Baptist landscape there are Heinz 57 varieties and then some... There are isms, chisms, splits and divisions... And you thought you were just a Baptist?... Brother Glen

How about the type that came outa Wales around the 6th century? Talk about primitive!

While I empathize with your experience, it does not negate the hallmarks of a local church. Church discipline, baptism, the Lord's supper, preaching, congregational signing et al. remain a part of a healthy local church.

And I will never trust a church again.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

OK but you could be wrong. God looks upon the heart.

Please

 

[terrpn]

To clarify-
I'm not hung up on the KJV (it's not my preference) or IFB. This church just happens to be IFB and KJVO.

I am a Independent Fundamental Pre-Millennial Baptist; KJV

My emphasis is on doctrine and people are free to choose whatever translation they desire.

That being said and being ordained in the IFB Church I am not fond of the many legalistic characteristics that exist in many ( not all) IFB churches. The church government in the IFB church can be a problem as well as compared to the SBC, etc. churches. You get a pastor in their who strays from scripture, has his busy body robots in the majority and he then becomes like a dictator and you cannot get him out of there.

Some of the IFB churches are run by pastors wives, women I see as well. This would not happen in a SBC church for example from my experience. When I visit my good friend who is a SBC pastor church I seem to appreciate it more so then some IFB churches.

John the Baptist, Jesus Christ were all Jews. Many of the Baptist Briders like to say they can trace their origin back to John, which is a croc.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

John preached repentance to the KOH...........Jewish.

John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

There were no Christians mentioned in scripture even though the body of Christ was there until..............Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.