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Baptists’ Bible Use
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atpollard
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Well, that would explain the Red Letters!
On a more serious note, yes. Every version of the Bible carries the blood of those who died to preserve the written word of God from the pen of the apostles to the books we hold in our hands (or view digitally) and read in our native language. In the other direction, those same words have inspired countless people to go into dangerous situations to spread that word to others ... often at the cost of their own life.
So your NIV Bible is twice dipped in the blood of the saints: Those who died bringing those words to you, and those who died reading those words.
atpollard
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You are looking at too narrow a scope. Did anyone die attempting to preserve the manuscripts in the first three centuries? Did anyone die protecting Latin Bibles from Viking raids? Byzantine and Coptic Manuscripts from the Muslim Caliphate? I would have to look for other translators murdered, but Luther survived through no lack of effort to kill him, so it is not inconceivable that a search will turn up other martyred translators.
I suspect that there may be some in SE Asia killed in the 20th century attempting to work on local population groups in China and other unfriendly nations.
atpollard
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Sorry, no names but ...
One month after Wycliffe Associates (WA) announced the launch of 10 new Bible translation projects in a region where conversion to Christianity is punishable by death, four of its Bible translators were martyred when militants raided their Middle Eastern office.
“They shot and destroyed all the equipment in the office, including the Print On Demand (POD) equipment,” WA reported in a prayer letter. “The invaders burned all the books and other translation materials in the office.
“Two workers died of gunshot wounds. Two other workers laid on top of the lead translator—saved his life—and died deflecting bludgeoning blows from the radicals’ spent weapons.”
“They shot and destroyed all the equipment in the office, including the Print On Demand (POD) equipment,” WA reported in a prayer letter. “The invaders burned all the books and other translation materials in the office.
“Two workers died of gunshot wounds. Two other workers laid on top of the lead translator—saved his life—and died deflecting bludgeoning blows from the radicals’ spent weapons.”
Why Four Bible Translators Martyred in Middle East Won't Be The Last
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Some Names:
Jan Hus (15th C)
Jacob van Liesveldt (16th C)
Edmund Fabian (1993)
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His death had nothing to do with Bible translation.
His death had nothing to do with Bible translation.
Quite the story.
Don't try to come up with other names such as Wycliffe or Jerome of Prague. The former died a natural death. Though
the latter was killed for his faith it had nothing to do with Bible translation.
What I have been responding to was the insistence that during the Reformation people died for the English Bible. Of course that is a bogus claim.
The formal translation is by necessity attempting to be literal and exact to each word that was inspired by the Holy Spirit, so though no version is fully formal, those that are essentially such as Nas/Nkjv would be closer to the original than say your Niv!
It's not a matter of translating individual word chunks. To be true to the tenor of the original it needs to be translated clause-by-clause and phrase-by-phrase so that the sense is preserved. even the translators of the NASBU and NKJV recognize that fact.
Accuracy is determined by the meaning of word groups --not isolated microsections of the text.
Looks like this report is the most recent data anyone has referenced in this thread.
The Holy Spirit decided to go the word for word, not thought for thought approach in the originals, so why shoudl we not try to do that as much as is possible?
You sure about that? What about times when the OT was not quoted word for word in the N.T.? How about when the N.T. writers were lead to use the LXX over the M.T.? It seems the Spirit was content at times with having the voice of God over the exact words of God.
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Every word that was put down and recorded was inspired by Him, correct? Paul made a big deal of this for examples when he spoke concerning not Abraham seeds, but His seed, namely Jesus Christ!
Each word ion the originals were inspired by God Himself, correct?
That wasn't the original claim. Many functional equivalent advocates beleive that. Your claim is the the Holy Spirit used word for word method, not thought for thought. Or also known as formal vs. Functional equivalency.
We need in the N.T. writers using functional equivalency at times. Why the Holy Spirit inspired everything they wrote, He often guided them in a functional matter. Thus the LXX quotes, while functional, are still inspired by God. The Holy Spirit did not always use the original words. He therefore did not use word for word. You don't have to have word for word to be God's inspired word. Not in the sense of having His authentic voice anyway. Otherwise English readers will have no hope of ever having God's word.
Your claim that the Holy Spirit used word for word, not thought for thought and then the follow up, shows that there maybe a disconnect for what you are actually trying to communicate. Yes God guided their words, but "word for word" and "thought for thought" are terms used for translating not inspiration. Those who support "thought for thought" do not necessarily support biblical inspiration of thought only and not words. You are unnecessarily conflating the two.
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I believe in the verbal plenary inspiration of the Holy Spirit Himself!
That is great. But I wouldn't use "word for word" and "thought for thought" to say that.
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every word put down in the OT/NT was placed there by the Holy Spirit, correct?
In the originals, yes. In full cooperation of the human author. The writers were carried and along and wrote what the Holy Spirit intended to be written.
But "word for word" and "thought for thought " are terms to describe translation methods, not inspiration of Scripture.
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The Spirit inspired word by word, and then used thought by thought?
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