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Baptists who don't believe in Hell?
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KenH
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If something bad happens, there are only two choices: either God allowed it to happen or God was unable to stop it from happening. The latter is Biblical incorrect for God is omnipotent. As for the former, we can get all tied up in semantics, but if it is God's will to allow something to happen, then can't it be said to be His will? That does not mean God is the cause of the bad thing happening but that it was His will to allow the bad to happen.
But everything happens within the context of God's ultimate purpose and neither Satan nor man's corruption can thwart God's ultimate purpose. If they could, then God would simply not be God. And the Bible teaches that God always accomplishes His purpose.
John Wells
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Ken H,
Finally, the famous universalist "all" argument! That one has been batted around a great deal. I challenge you to do a search (if you have Bible software that will help you) on "all." You might want to limit your search to a few books as you will get many, many hits. What you will find is that "all" is used so ambiguously in the Bible that it is downright hillarious some of the things that would be meant, if taken literally.
So "1000 years" can mean anything a universalist wants it to, but "all" must always mean "all!" You guys are too much!
By the way, in the context of the verses you gave, "all" means "every tribe and every nation" but not every individual. "If I be lifted up, I will draw" people from every tribe and every nation "to myself." I doubt you will accept that but then, God's truth will remain what it is in spite of what you believe.
Finally, the famous universalist "all" argument! That one has been batted around a great deal. I challenge you to do a search (if you have Bible software that will help you) on "all." You might want to limit your search to a few books as you will get many, many hits. What you will find is that "all" is used so ambiguously in the Bible that it is downright hillarious some of the things that would be meant, if taken literally.
So "1000 years" can mean anything a universalist wants it to, but "all" must always mean "all!" You guys are too much!
By the way, in the context of the verses you gave, "all" means "every tribe and every nation" but not every individual. "If I be lifted up, I will draw" people from every tribe and every nation "to myself." I doubt you will accept that but then, God's truth will remain what it is in spite of what you believe.
John Wells
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No, I am a Christian who believes in the gospel, the real gospel, not your religion that ignores the Bible's clear message of salvation through faith alone in Christ alone.
John Wells
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Based on the beliefs you've stated, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth!
neal4christ
New Member
I do not disagree with God's sovereignty. However, it seemed to me that in the other discussion that it was asserted that God is the source of ALL things. I pointed out that He is the source of every good and perfect gift, but not sin. So now it seems that either Universalists do not believe the same thing or someone is doing some shuffling.
I find it interesting that you are a part of a Southern Baptist Church. I did not know that any of them affirm Universalism. Is that really compatible with Southern Baptist teaching?
NealMatthew 16:24
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Ken H,
I am sorry but your false doctrine disgusts me. I really am in awe of how you have fallen prey to such an absurb teaching. Makes me hurt inside that Satan is brainwashing people with such junk.
Read a few posts back and you will find out about who Jesus died for and why.
I really cannot believe how there are so many Baptist churches that have their doctrine mixed up. IMO, I don’t think you call it a Baptist church.
I am sorry but your false doctrine disgusts me. I really am in awe of how you have fallen prey to such an absurb teaching. Makes me hurt inside that Satan is brainwashing people with such junk.
Read a few posts back and you will find out about who Jesus died for and why.
I really cannot believe how there are so many Baptist churches that have their doctrine mixed up. IMO, I don’t think you call it a Baptist church.
John Wells
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That's good to know!
I am debtor both to the wise and to the unwise posters on this thread.
I am ready to preach the gospel to you, but you aren't ready to listen.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, saying the truth is not the truth.
That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them, but you will not see.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (self-explanitory)
Who changed the truth of God into a lie. God says one thing and you say it means something else. Not just a rare translation improvement but over and over and over again and in major doctrinal issues.
Being filled with...debate, deceit...proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, most of what is being said is conjecture designed to impose doubt on the Bible.
Without understanding...Who knowing the judgment of God, still says there isn't any.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, there is just no excuse for it.
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? The judgement is coming.
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; The judgement is coming.
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil. No matter how pleasant your behavior appears on the surface, if it ultimately does harm then it is evil.
And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge . Regardless of how educated, scholarly, intelligent, or rational your arguements appear, if they are contrary to the plain teaching of the Bible and contrary to the confirming conviction of the Holy Spirit to believers they will fail to convince any but the willingly deceived.
There is a Hell, it is painful, and it is eternal. You can choose to believe that or not, but you do not get to decide whether there is one or not. God has already done that and it would behoove you to find out what God says and not try to intellectualize the discovery.
All my life I had heard that people could twist the scriptures to make them say anything they wanted but, untill I started reading this board I didn't know the true extent of that statement.
Some of you guys can really stretch the limits of credibility and beyond.
I am ready to preach the gospel to you, but you aren't ready to listen.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, saying the truth is not the truth.
That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them, but you will not see.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (self-explanitory)
Who changed the truth of God into a lie. God says one thing and you say it means something else. Not just a rare translation improvement but over and over and over again and in major doctrinal issues.
Being filled with...debate, deceit...proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, most of what is being said is conjecture designed to impose doubt on the Bible.
Without understanding...Who knowing the judgment of God, still says there isn't any.
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, there is just no excuse for it.
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? The judgement is coming.
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; The judgement is coming.
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil. No matter how pleasant your behavior appears on the surface, if it ultimately does harm then it is evil.
And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge . Regardless of how educated, scholarly, intelligent, or rational your arguements appear, if they are contrary to the plain teaching of the Bible and contrary to the confirming conviction of the Holy Spirit to believers they will fail to convince any but the willingly deceived.
There is a Hell, it is painful, and it is eternal. You can choose to believe that or not, but you do not get to decide whether there is one or not. God has already done that and it would behoove you to find out what God says and not try to intellectualize the discovery.
All my life I had heard that people could twist the scriptures to make them say anything they wanted but, untill I started reading this board I didn't know the true extent of that statement.
Some of you guys can really stretch the limits of credibility and beyond.
neal4christ
New Member
How can you be a Baptist then if your theology is not Baptist?
Just a note for the Calvinism bit, I see more and more SBers that are. At the seminary I attend (SEBTS) there are a few even though the president is against it, and I know that Southern is a very Calvinistic school. However, I don't know of anyone that affirms Universalism.
Neal
This is interesting. I was studying the other day on this very scripture. My conclusions my unorthodox, but here is what I believe about this. The best I could determine (I will get my notes if anyone wants to push it, just let me know), the phrase, made alive is equivalent to resurrection, thus, as there is a resurrection from the dead of the saved, there also is a resurrection from the dead of the condemned, so this scripture states, in Christ all shall be made alive, this is IMO, speaking of the resurrection from the dead, and not the quickening of the spirit to salvation.
God Bless.
Bro. Dallas
Daniel David
New Member
Ken, can I safely assume you believe in annihilationism?
KenH
Well-Known Member
No, I believe in the hope of universal reconciliation.
There aren't many ways into heaven;
The Bible says there's only one:
Confessing Christ Jesus as Savior,
Believing in God's only Son. — Sper
[ February 23, 2003, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Ken H ]