Baseball Negro Leagues

[Yeshua1]

No, even without BLM this is long overdue. It has long been noted that the Negro Leagues produced the same, if not better, caliber of baseball than the white major leagues of the day.

Just seems that will still be very hard to reconcile records though between the 2 leagues!

 

[John of Japan]

So Josh Gibson now home run leader, as thought claimed he had smacked over 800?

That's problematic, since Oh hit 868 dingers.

 

[Yeshua1]

That's problematic, since Oh hit 868 dingers.

Would still see Hank as being the true home run king, as wasn't Oh hitting in a minor league field?

 

[John of Japan]

The pitchers were not nearly as good though as ones bonds and aaron faced!

I would not say that. Many Japanese pitchers are MLB level. Some have come to the US and done well, starting with Murakami Masanori (I have his MLB rookie card) way back in the 1960's, then Nomo Hideo, then recently many others. Here's a link: The 10 Best Pitchers from Japan in MLB History

 

[John of Japan]

Would still see Hank as being the true home run king, as wasn't Oh hitting in a minor league field?

Well, a shorter outfield in many cases. The Giant's Tokyo Dome stadium is every bit as good as any MLB stadium, and better than some such as the old Twins stadium. (I've been to both.)

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, a shorter outfield in many cases. The Giant's Tokyo Dome stadium is every bit as good as any MLB stadium, and better than some such as the old Twins stadium. (I've been to both.)

I met as in the paying size, as thought under 300 feet!

 

[canadyjd]

Would like to see the stats broken down in MLB to before jackie and after!

The movie “44”, was very interesting. If accurate, as they considered bringing Jackie Robinson to Dodgers organization, they decided to move him from shortstop (in Negro League) to second base (in minors) and first base (in majors) because his arm wasn’t strong enough for shortstop and the current second baseman was better.

The bottom line was they did what was best for the organization, moving the talent where it best helped the team.

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

The movie “44”, was very interesting. If accurate, as they considered bringing Jackie Robinson to Dodgers organization, they decided to move him from shortstop (in Negro League) to second base (in minors) and first base (in majors) because his arm wasn’t strong enough for shortstop and the current second baseman was better.

The bottom line was they did what was best for the organization, moving the talent where it best helped the team.

peace to you

I cannot imagine what he heard while playing, and how they intentionally tried to spike and hit him in head with baseball!

 

[John of Japan]

I met as in the paying size, as thought under 300 feet!

Paying size? If you mean "playing size," Tokyo Dome is long enough to be MLB. Yokohama Stadium and others are not.

 

[Yeshua1]

Paying size? If you mean "playing size," Tokyo Dome is long enough to be MLB. Yokohama Stadium and others are not.

How many Home runs did Oh have in those smaller fields?

 

[John of Japan]

How many Home runs did Oh have in those smaller fields?

I don't know. But I've already said he would deserve an asterisk if included as an MLB player because of the shortness of some Japanese outfields.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't know. But I've already said he would deserve an asterisk if included as an MLB player because of the shortness of some Japanese outfields.

And also that would make the seattle outfielder new hits leader!

 

[SGO]

These players were not acknowledged as the be on the same plane as those in MLB.
That is, they were thought to be subhuman. Breaking the Color Line: 1940 to 1946  |  Baseball, the Color Line, and Jackie Robinson  |  Articles and Essays  |  By Popular Demand: Jackie Robinson and Other Baseball Highlights, 1860s-1960s  |  Digital Collections  |  Library of Congress
Is that right?
PC or not, it is not too late to confess an error, and try to correct it in some way.

 

[canadyjd]

I cannot imagine what he heard while playing, and how they intentionally tried to spike and hit him in head with baseball!

He died a young man (50’s). I can only imagine the stress of continuous death threats to him and his family took its toll. He must have truly loved playing baseball.

peace to you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

We've been to several of their stadiums. The Yokohama Baystars have a dingy, old stadium, but the Tokyo Giants (the Yankees of Japan) have an awesome stadium in Tokyo.

However, to be fair, their outfields are generally shorter than in the MLB. So Oh Sadayaru, though having the most home runs in professional baseball history, should have an asterisk by his name.

Bottom line, it just doesn’t translate. Sorry, JoJ, for both the pun and the fact, though I take responsibility only for the former.

 

[Salty]

¿Which Ballpark has the smallest dimensions?

Clem's Baseball ~ Stadium dimensions

 

[JonC]

All that matters is the Atlanta Braves are the longest running MLB franchise, and therefore the best team by seniority (with a little help of the Chicago fire, of course).

 

[Alcott]

I thought they were recognized as major leagues since around 1970, when they starting naming a number of their players to the Hall of Fame. As for records, I do remember reading many times that most of them are not official, and indeed many that exist included barnstorming games, which were exhibitions. There would probably be too much conflict about computerizing it into how, for instance, if Satchel Page had pitched to Joe DiMaggio 200 times how that would have affected DiMaggio's batting average and Page's ERA; or in general how both the white and black league records would be lessened if the sport had been integrated all along and the best played against the best.

 

[John of Japan]

Bottom line, it just doesn’t translate. Sorry, JoJ, for both the pun and the fact, though I take responsibility only for the former.

Har, har. I knew it wouldn't fly, but I had to make a pitch for my adopted country. Sorry you couldn't catch my meaning. I thought I had a hit with my post.

 

[Salty]

I thought I had a hit with my post.

I thought it was stand up double