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The same could be said for your side of the aisle.These folks crank through their list of false interpretations of scripture as if never rebutted, but seldom if every address the rebuttal.
Charging others with their malfeasance is the hallmark of false accusers group.The same could be said for your side of the aisle.
Again, that fits you Van.Charging others with their malfeasance is the hallmark of false accusers group.
Folks, this is all they have, hurl false charges at others. Mean while, our salvation benefits arise from God crediting OUR faith as righteousness.Again, that fits you Van.
So why is it false if I give the charge but not false when you give it? Is that all you have?Folks, this is all they have, hurl false charges at others. Mean while, our salvation benefits arise from God crediting OUR faith as righteousness.
Note the petty attack on me, rather than addressing the topic.So why is it false if I give the charge but not false when you give it? Is that all you have?
Van, how is that not a works based salvation? If we have to DO something in order to be saved rather than being saved, that is a works based salvation.The gift of salvation is obtained by God crediting our faith and devotion toward Christ as righteousness. Thus the gifts of salvation (being made righteous, being justified, being forgiven, being indwelt, and our future bodily redemption and eternal life with Christ) arise from our credited faith in Christ. Ek Pisteos appears to be used in at least two ways:
1) out from Old Covenant Faith and into New Covenant Faith, and
2) the benefits of salvation arising from our faith in Christ being credited as righteousness by God. Everyone believing into Christ shall not perish but have eternal life, but God alone determines those believing by crediting their faith as righteousness.
A third usage (the righteous man will live by faith - ek pisteos) is where the idea is behaving in accordance with faithfulness toward God and His Christ.
Do you never tire regurgitating the same false charges, i.e. universalism, Pelagianism, works salvation, etc. Why not surprise us by actually addressing the truth. Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved or does stuff to be saved, therefore doing the work God requires - believing in the One God sent - is not a works based salvation. I have presented this rebuttal many many times, but will you continue to claim our faith is works? Yes, because the truth of scripture does not support Calvinism. Romans 4:16Van, how is that not a works based salvation? If we have to DO something in order to be saved rather than being saved, that is a works based salvation.
I asked a question. You didn't answer. Typical.Do you never tire regurgitating the same false charges, i.e. universalism, Pelagianism, works salvation, etc. Why not surprise us by actually addressing the truth. Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved or does stuff to be saved, therefore doing the work God requires - believing in the One God sent - is not a works based salvation. I have presented this rebuttal many many times, but will you continue to claim our faith is works? Yes, because the truth of scripture does not support Calvinism. Romans 4:16
Note the petty attack on me and no on topic response. God crediting our faith as righteousness is not a works salvation. A salvation based on faith is not a salvation based on works, Romans 4:16.I asked a question. You didn't answer. Typical.
Van I asked you a simple question. How is faith of our own accord and not because it is God-authored not a works based salvation? Please explain.Note the petty attack on me and no on topic response. God crediting our faith as righteousness is not a works salvation.
Scripture answers your question, Romans 4:16. Salvation must be through or by means of faith to be of grace.Van I asked you a simple question. How is faith of our own accord and not because it is God-authored not a works based salvation? Please explain.
I don't dispute that, but that did not answer the question. I said how is faith that is completely of our own accord and not given by God, not a works based salvation as it would be something that we have to DO and do independently of God.Scripture answers your question, Romans 4:16. Salvation must be through or by means of faith to be of grace.