Be Careful!

[DHK]

That is a reprehensible charge. Further, nothing in your quoted article said anything of the kind.

Please do your homework. Study up on this movement by doing your own research.
1. New Calvinism, in and of itself, stands outside of historic Christian orthodoxy. There is a broad consensus of this among conservative evangelical leaders.
2. Mohler is among the "founding fathers" of this movement, along with Driscoll, Piper, and a couple of others.
3. Thus, this puts Mohler outside of historic Christian orthodoxy. Either that or he is schizophrenic. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Revmitchell]

Mohler and Piper are both solid evangelicals who stand within orthodox boundaries. To suggest otherwise is to show either a bias or pure ignorance.

 

[The Archangel]

The title in your thread is:
"The New Calvinism" on PBS
Note: "The New Calvinism" is in quotes. "The New Calvinism" is a modern day movement that holds some very erratic, irrational, falsehoods, if not heresies. Examine it for yourself, before wrongly accusing me.

Perhaps you don't understand your own video. Did you know that Mohler is one of the founders of "The New Calvinism" movement. Again do some research.

Mohler himself stands outside of orthodox belief. Do your own research.

http://www.newcalvinist.com/who-are-the-new-calvinists-part-1/


Dishonest? Perhaps you are simply naive and don't know what this movement is about.

If you equip yourself with a little knowledge aforetime, you will see how "new" this is, or rather how old it is to the "camp of heresies."

I will continue to question doctrine, motives, methods, etc. Please look it up. Do your own research.

You continue to be dishonest. Why? Is ignorance bliss?

I am not a moderator here. Squire made that clear, or did you not read that sticky thread? The hypocrite is yourself because you are posting in ignorance and then accusing me of attacking those whom I am not attacking. These are false allegations, otherwise known as lies.

Do your own research, and then be quiet about. I think you have embarrassed yourself enough. Educate yourself.

Educate myself? Really?!

I'm a graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I earned my M.Div in 2007. I know Al Mohler personally. Now, I don't call him "Al," but whenever we see each other he greets me warmly by name. During my time on campus, I was well known for my participation in the weekly chapel services...

You clearly have no earthly idea about what you're talking about.

The site you referenced, obviously, has a bone to pick and it is anything but objective. It presents a false caricature, nothing more.

I find it laughable, and completely dishonest, that you a non-Calvinist, have done only enough "research" to find people who dislike Mohler, et al. You really haven't educated yourself at all. You've taken someone else's wrong and biased word for it without actually caring enough to do actual investigation.

What you've posted here would get you laughed-out of any academic (or casual) discussion. By citing what you've cited (without checking it) you've only proven your disdain for all things Calvinist and you've proven you are simply incapable of even the slightest bit of intellectual rigor or honesty.

Rarely have I seen a bigger example of personal incapacity than in what you've written in this thread and the other... A wise man once said "It is better to let the world think you a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt." There is no longer any reason for me to doubt...

The Archangel

 

[kyredneck]

DHK, I fear that for some in this discussion nothing less than our kow towing (unconditional surrender) to their position will suffice.

Spoken like a BB moderator.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Spoken like a BB moderator.

Be careful.:tongue3:

 

[kyredneck]

Was going to let it go, but the idea of 'two sets of rules' really galls me, especially when I see 'playing both sides of the fence' occurring.

 

[convicted1]

Spoken like a BB moderator.

:thumbsup::thumbs::thumbs::thumbsup:

 

[convicted1]

:thumbs::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs:

Was going to let it go, but the idea of 'two sets of rules' really galls me, especially when I see 'playing both sides of the fence' occurring.

 

[robt.k.fall]

And how is this? Thus far, I've seen nothing to suggest any give on the side of those taking the Calvinist position, leaving aside the DHK byplay.

Spoken like a BB moderator.

 

[kyredneck]

DHK, I fear that for some in this discussion nothing less than our kow towing (unconditional surrender) to their position will suffice.

What are you implying by 'our'? 'Our' as in we're both moderators? Or 'our' as in we're both non-cals?

 

[convicted1]

What are you implying by 'our'? 'Our' as in we're both moderators? Or 'our' as in we're both non-cals?

Our=robt k. fall and Squire Robertson. :thumbs:

 

[DHK]

Educate myself? Really?!

I'm a graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I earned my M.Div in 2007. I know Al Mohler personally. Now, I don't call him "Al," but whenever we see each other he greets me warmly by name. During my time on campus, I was well known for my participation in the weekly chapel services...

You clearly have no earthly idea about what you're talking about.

I am not the one here who voluntarily chooses to be ignorant about current movements and issues.
"Let him who is ignorant be ignorant still."

The site you referenced, obviously, has a bone to pick and it is anything but objective. It presents a false caricature, nothing more.

I find it laughable, and completely dishonest, that you a non-Calvinist, have done only enough "research" to find people who dislike Mohler, et al. You really haven't educated yourself at all. You've taken someone else's wrong and biased word for it without actually caring enough to do actual investigation.

I suppose you would say the same thing about Peter Masters as well???
http://test.metropolitantabernacle....Calvinism-Merger-of-Calvinism-and-Worldliness

What you've posted here would get you laughed-out of any academic (or casual) discussion. By citing what you've cited (without checking it) you've only proven your disdain for all things Calvinist and you've proven you are simply incapable of even the slightest bit of intellectual rigor or honesty.

You are only embarrassing yourself on this board and worldwide for a lack of education because you won't do your own research. I stand my ground.

Rarely have I seen a bigger example of personal incapacity than in what you've written in this thread and the other... A wise man once said "It is better to let the world think you a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt." There is no longer any reason for me to doubt...

The Archangel

I have no doubt that you are not taking this movement seriously and not done one iota of research. You are sinking deeper and deeper. Do your homework instead of attacking me. What is "New Calvinism?" Who are its founders? What are its doctrines, methods, motives? Find out for yourself.

 

[robt.k.fall]

2. "we're both non-cals?"

What are you implying by 'our'?

1. 'Our' as in we're both moderators? or
2. 'Our' as in we're both non-cals?

 

[kyredneck]

So where did I get the idea that 'the Squire' is a Calvinist? Not so?

If 'the Squire' is a Calvinist, and robt. k. fall is a non-Cal, then you really ARE playing both sides of the fence.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I've tried to keep my position on this question out of this discussion. I can't be neutral if I take sides.

So where did I get the idea that 'the Squire' is a Calvinist? Not so?

If 'the Squire' is a Calvinist, and robt. k. fall is a non-Cal, then you really ARE playing both sides of the fence.

 

[kyredneck]

Incredible.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Never said I succeeded only that I've tried. I'm human so there's a certain amount of bleed through.

Incredible.

 

[kyredneck]

Lol, so do all the mods/admins have 'dual personalities'? Wonder who DHK's counterpart is.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please do your homework. Study up on this movement by doing your own research.
1. New Calvinism, in and of itself, stands outside of historic Christian orthodoxy. There is a broad consensus of this among conservative evangelical leaders.
2. Mohler is among the "founding fathers" of this movement, along with Driscoll, Piper, and a couple of others.
3. Thus, this puts Mohler outside of historic Christian orthodoxy. Either that or he is schizophrenic. :smilewinkgrin:

what are the basic teaching within new calvinism that you see as being outside the faith then?

Know that there has been an inhouse debate among new calvinists/reformed/New Covenant theology etc, but as far as i know, NONE of them have denied the basic faith doctrines that make one a real Christian!

 

[robt.k.fall]

Let me get this straight. Because, I side to a certain extent with DHK's position and the Squire seeks to remain neutral. He and I are the same?

Lol, so do all the mods/admins have 'dual personalities'? Wonder who DHK's counterpart is.