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Be gone Teddy, be gone!

Adonia

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While I do not like Teddy because he was a Republican Progressive, we should not be letting these Marxists remove the statues of our most famous citizens.
 

carpro

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Besides...

Look closely at Teddy. It's not him.

It's really Brian Keith.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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From another article (msn--not behind a paywall):
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Critics, though, have pointed to Roosevelt’s opinions about racial hierarchy and eugenics and his pivotal role in the Spanish-American War.

The statue — created by James Earle Fraser — was one of four memorials in New York that a city commission reconsidered in 2017, ultimately deciding after a split decision to leave the statue in place and to add context.

The museum tried to add that context with an exhibition last year, “Addressing the Statue,” which explored its design and installation, the inclusion of the figures walking beside Roosevelt and Roosevelt’s racism. The museum also examined its own potential complicity, in particular its exhibitions on eugenics in the early 20th century.

The exhibition was partly a response to the defacing of the statue by protesters, who in 2017 splashed red liquid representing blood over the statue’s base. The protesters, who identified themselves as members of the Monument Removal Brigade, later published a statement on the internet calling for its removal as an emblem of “patriarchy, white supremacy and settler-colonialism.”
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Roosevelt statue to be removed from Museum of Natural History
 

JonC

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Neither did the racist who choked him to death
People assume racism because the officer was white and the victim black. That is a racist assumption.

When a white guy was restrained by officers, face down in the dirt crying they were killing him, and dying on the scene by being suffocated.... well, that was just unfortunate and poor practice....maybe excessive force.

But when the guy is black it is automatically racism?
 

Salty

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Neither did the racist who choked him to death


First, he is the ALLEGED individual who choked him
Second - How do you know he is racist (and Jon had a good post in # 10)

So agent - be very careful as to accusing people based on limited info.

Let me ask you this: Do you believe that officer deserves a fair trial?
 

Reynolds

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Neither did the racist who choked him to death
How do you know he was a racist? A logical person would conclude that we have no evidence of his intent or motivation.

If you want to follow the evidence, you will explore night club, both their employment, and counterfeit currency. Dirty cop involved in counterfeit protection scheme? Another involved in the scheme passing bills and about to spill beans now that he is caught?

Nothing about this points to racism or racial motivation.
 

Agent47

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How do you know he was a racist? A logical person would conclude that we have no evidence of his intent or motivation.

If you want to follow the evidence, you will explore night club, both their employment, and counterfeit currency. Dirty cop involved in counterfeit protection scheme? Another involved in the scheme passing bills and about to spill beans now that he is caught?

Nothing about this points to racism or racial motivation.

Every second of the close to nine minutes screams racism
 

Agent47

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People assume racism because the officer was white and the victim black. That is a racist assumption.

When a white guy was restrained by officers, face down in the dirt crying they were killing him, and dying on the scene by being suffocated.... well, that was just unfortunate and poor practice....maybe excessive force.

But when the guy is black it is automatically racism?

if there is any record of similar excessive use of force on suspects of his own race under similar conditions(unarmed,restrained,resisting arrest..) you’d have a point
 

Salty

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if there is any record of similar excessive use of force on suspects of his own race under similar conditions you’d have a point

of course that has happened!

Now before you ask for proof - according to you - additional proof is not required - as along as a person thinks something - that is proof enough.
 

JonC

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if there is any record of similar excessive use of force on suspects of his own race under similar conditions(unarmed,restrained,resisting arrest..) you’d have a point
There are. He had 17 complaints against him for excessive (and abusive) force to include complaints by white men.

I do not know if the other white officer, the black officer, or the Asian officer had any against them but it looks like Chauvin was problematic regardless of race.

What bothers me is race is automatically assumed if the victim was black. That does not seem right to me.
 
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