Bearing False Witness is a Sin, A Warning of God's Judgment

[Humble Disciple]

You were deceptive and deceitful.

Do you really believe that? For someone who was "never a Calvinist," I did a pretty good job using every Calvinist proof-text possible. That's exactly like how Leighton Flowers is accused by James White of never being a Calvinist.

Calvinism traditionally teaches that if you live in willful, unrepentant sin, it's a sign that you were never among God's elect in the first place. This should cause John MacArthur concern, and I mean this in all sincerity.

2 Peter 1:10
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,

I posted this to the forum several weeks ago:

I have asked God to not make me a Calvinist if he doesn't want me to be a Calvinist. In the very least, I believe that God wants me to dispel myths about Calvinism, so that people will be relieved of their prejudice against Calvinists.

Since I am a Calvinist who believes in God’s irresistible grace, I accept that God will make me a provisionist, Arminian, or Molinist if He so chooses, according to His own glory and purposes. (Psalm 115:3, Psalm 135:6)

At the end of the day, your love for God is more important than the rightness of your theology:

1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.
Southern Baptist Traditionalism/Provisionism Thoughts and Comments

Why quarrel with what God has sovereignly decreed?

Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

I would not accuse John MacArthur of hypocrisy and bearing false witness unless I was able to demonstrate, with evidence, that it's true, which I've already done on this forum. (John 7:24)

 

[canadyjd]

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I sincerely hope that Dr. MacArthur will repent before judgement day comes. I have no reason to lie about my desire for his sincere repentance, since I'd never wish for him to enter damnation.

Repent for what? Of making a lot of money? Of disagreeing with you (better yet, you disagree with him: I doubt he even knows who you are)

I’ve never known of him being deceitful like you.

Planks and splinters and eyes and all that.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[Humble Disciple]

Repent for what? Of making a lot of money?

We'll have to wait and see what happens when the SEC finishes their investigation of the MacArthur family. I have no reason to feign concern over his salvation, especially since I don't particularly like the man.

I’ve never known of him being deceitful...

Did you even watch the video?

Leighton Flowers proves very definitely the deceitfulness of John MacArthur in accusing Arminius and Finney of Pelagianism.

As I've demonstrated on this forum, I have no intention whatsoever to smear Calvinists of goodwill, like John Piper, Charles Spurgeon, George Whitefield, Matt Chandler, etc.

Falsely accusing others of Pelagianism is a violation of forum rules:

Slander (from the American Heritage Dictionary):
Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about a person.
Of Slander, and Libel

 

[canadyjd]

Did you even watch the video?
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No, since you’ve proven yourself to be deceitful, I can’t trust anything you post.

thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

 

[Humble Disciple]

No, since you’ve proven yourself to be deceitful...

This is a personal attack without any supportive evidence. Why not hear John MacArthur, in his own words, falsely accuse others of Pelagianism? Are you afraid of what you might hear? Matthew 11:15

 

[1689Dave]

Why do modern-day Calvinists like John MacArthur insist on breaking the ninth commandment for any preacher or theologian who disagrees with their theology, by falsely accusing them of Pelagianism?

In doing so, aren't they setting themselves up for hell, by incessantly lying about their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?

It seems that modern-day Calvinists like MacArthur are jealous or resentful of Charles Finney and other non-Calvinists for winning more souls to Christ than they do, so they smear him and many other teachers, thus violating the tenth commandment as well.

In this video, Leighton Flowers demolishes John MacArthur's strawman arguments against Jacobus Arminius and Charles Finney as somehow being Palagean:

While I don't find Flowers' own system of provisionism compelling, he's at least good at dispelling the lies that modern-day Calvinists like John MacArthur tell about Molinism, Arminianism, Finneyism, etc.

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Charles Finney, like Billy Graham after him, was far from being a Pelagian:

Why can't modern-day Calvinists be more like George Whitefield, who worked alongside John Wesley on the mission field as fellow Methodists, by agreeing to disagree on predestination?

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Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

As I've demonstrated on this forum, I have no intention whatsoever to smear Calvinists of goodwill, like John Piper, Charles Spurgeon, George Whitefield, Matt Chandler, etc.

Falsely accusing others of Pelagianism is a violation of forum rules:

How about accusing them of Catholicism? They teach free will....

 

[Humble Disciple]

How about accusing them of Catholicism? They teach free will....

Wouldn't that be another false witness?

 

[1689Dave]

Wouldn't that be another false witness?

Not if Catholics teach free will, which they do...

 

[Humble Disciple]

Not if Catholics teach free will, which they do...

Lumping in Arminians, Molinists, etc. with Catholicism, simply for believing in free will, which is what all the church fathers before Augustine taught, would be a false attack.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia

Free Will is Taught in the Bible...

 

[1689Dave]

Lumping in Arminians, Molinists, etc. with Catholicism, simply for believing in free will, which is what all the church fathers before Augustine taught, would be a false attack.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia

Free Will is Taught in the Bible...

Lumping in Arminians, Molinists, etc. with Catholicism, simply for believing in free will, which is what all the church fathers before Augustine taught, would be a false attack.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia

Free Will is Taught in the Bible...

Not if it is an attack on free will. Can you go a day without sinning? Free will says you can.

 

[Humble Disciple]

Can you go a day without sinning? Free will says you can.

That's a caricature of what non-Calvinists believe, and is thus bearing false witness.

 

[1689Dave]

That's a caricature of what non-Calvinists believe, and is thus bearing false witness.

How can it be a false witness against your neighbor? That's how the Law defines "false witness". Get your definitions straight.

 

[robycop3]

In older times, "bearing false witness", that is, lying about another person or entity, was severely-punishable, & not just among the Israelis.

In Roman times, to "bear record" was equivalent to signing an affidavit today. If one bore false record, it could mean capital punishment! John knew this, & he also knew it was a DELIBERATE SIN as well. Thus, when he BORE RECORD of Jesus' ministry, he was affirming he was writing the truth, on pain of punishment by both God & men if he were writing lies.

That's all I hafta say on this matter.

 

[AustinC]

Do you really believe that? For someone who was "never a Calvinist," I did a pretty good job using every Calvinist proof-text possible. That's exactly like how Leighton Flowers is accused by James White of never being a Calvinist.

Calvinism traditionally teaches that if you live in willful, unrepentant sin, it's a sign that you were never among God's elect in the first place. This should cause John MacArthur concern, and I mean this in all sincerity.

2 Peter 1:10
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,

I posted this to the forum several weeks ago:



Why quarrel with what God has sovereignly decreed?

Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

I would not accuse John MacArthur of hypocrisy and bearing false witness unless I was able to demonstrate, with evidence, that it's true, which I've already done on this forum. (John 7:24)

Shall we assume you are Leighton Flowers?
Deception has been your MO.

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you really believe that? For someone who was "never a Calvinist," I did a pretty good job using every Calvinist proof-text possible. That's exactly like how Leighton Flowers is accused by James White of never being a Calvinist.

Calvinism traditionally teaches that if you live in willful, unrepentant sin, it's a sign that you were never among God's elect in the first place. This should cause John MacArthur concern, and I mean this in all sincerity.

2 Peter 1:10
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,

I posted this to the forum several weeks ago:



Why quarrel with what God has sovereignly decreed?

Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

I would not accuse John MacArthur of hypocrisy and bearing false witness unless I was able to demonstrate, with evidence, that it's true, which I've already done on this forum. (John 7:24)

So when and how did you move from 4 point Calvinist to Pel then?

 

[Iconoclast]

Shall we assume you are Leighton Flowers?
Deception has been your MO.

No...Leighton at least stands his ground.He posted on here for years, and was often corrected.He did not welcome truth and is close to be a flat out open theist.
This poster is more like Jesse Morrel who embraces several errors similtaneously.

 

[George Antonios]

Why do modern-day Calvinists like John MacArthur insist on breaking the ninth commandment for any preacher or theologian who disagrees with their theology, by falsely accusing them of Pelagianism?

In doing so, aren't they setting themselves up for hell, by incessantly lying about their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?

It seems that modern-day Calvinists like MacArthur are jealous or resentful of Charles Finney and other non-Calvinists for winning more souls to Christ than they do, so they smear him and many other teachers, thus violating the tenth commandment as well.

In this video, Leighton Flowers demolishes John MacArthur's strawman arguments against Jacobus Arminius and Charles Finney as somehow being Palagean:

While I don't find Flowers' own system of provisionism compelling, he's at least good at dispelling the lies that modern-day Calvinists like John MacArthur tell about Molinism, Arminianism, Finneyism, etc.

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Charles Finney, like Billy Graham after him, was far from being a Pelagian:

Why can't modern-day Calvinists be more like George Whitefield, who worked alongside John Wesley on the mission field as fellow Methodists, by agreeing to disagree on predestination?

The Prosperous Lifestyle of America's Anti-Prosperity Gospel Preacher | The Roys Report

Phil Johnson Covers Up John MacArthur’s Extraordinary Compensation & Lifestyle in Devious Statement to The Christian Post & Interview with Justin Peters - BrentDetwiler.com -

Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

As I've demonstrated on this forum, I have no intention whatsoever to smear Calvinists of goodwill, like John Piper, Charles Spurgeon, George Whitefield, Matt Chandler, etc.

Falsely accusing others of Pelagianism is a violation of forum rules:

Although I agree that non-Calvinists are deceitfully framed as Pelagians by unscripturally theologically redefining personal faith as a work, the charge that they're inching hell-ward for it denies the church-age doctrine of eternal security.
They are brothers, and they will die in some unrepentant sins, just like you will, and just like I will, sadly, and we will all (the born again) still awake in heaven.

 

[AustinC]

Although I agree that non-Calvinists are deceitfully framed as Pelagians by unscripturally theologically redefining personal faith as a work, the charge that they're inching hell-ward for it denies the church-age doctrine of eternal security.
They are brothers, and they will die in some unrepentant sins, just like you will, and just like I will, sadly, and we will all (the born again) still awake in heaven.

Where is "personal" (man-made) faith described in the Bible, George?

 

[George Antonios]

Where is "personal" (man-made) faith described in the Bible, George?

Hab_2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Mat_9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Luk_8:25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
1Co_2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co_15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co_15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
2Co_1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
2Co_10:15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
Eph_1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Php_2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
Col_1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col_2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
1Th_1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
1Th_3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
1Th_3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
1Th_3:6 But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity, and that ye have good remembrance of us always, desiring greatly to see us, as we also to see you:
1Th_3:7 Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:
1Th_3:10 Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
2Th_1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
Jas_1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
1Pe_1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe_1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1Pe_1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
2Pe_1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
Mat_9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
Mat_15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
Mar_5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mar_10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Luk_7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk_8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Luk_17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Luk_22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Phm_1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.
Jas_2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

 

[Scott Downey]

You don't go to hell for sin, only unforgiven sin