Being saved.

[Dave G]

Never at all? 1 John 2:27, ". . . But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. . . ."

Not with most people, no.

Without exception, either the correct meaning is denyed or a wrong meaning is read into it, by one or both readers.

I agree.
But who determines the correct meaning?

 

[kyredneck]

Mark 16:16 does not teach baptism is required or that baptism is part if the gospel. ". . . he that believeth not shall be damned." Nowhere does the New Testament teach without water baptism a person is lost. False teachers teach baptism is necessary in order to be saved. So are you really a false teacher?

Egad. Mark 16:16, Jesus plainly states, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved".

You've a problem with this only because of your distorted take of 'sozo'. I've no problem at all because I know Christ's primary intent is not 'saved from eternity in hell', it's 'saved from the wrath to come upon this generation'. Water baptism was a public profession of faith for the Jews of that generation which was essential for them to 'save themselves' from the wrath of Matthew 23:35-36, Luke 21:20-32, etc...

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.
40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

 

[37818]

Using your interpretation of 'sozo' (saved, i.e., go to heaven):

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall go to heaven; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.
40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, send yourselves to heaven from this crooked generation. Acts 2

20 that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were sent to heaven through water:
21 which also after a true likeness doth now send you to heaven, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

Once again:

A long rant. Which does not prove the New Testament teaches the necessity of baptism in order to go to Heaven.

 

[kyredneck]

A long rant. Which does not prove the New Testament teaches the necessity of baptism in order to go to Heaven.

The New Testament does not teach the necessity of baptism in order to go to Heaven. You do, by gomming up the word sozo. And I suppose you're too dense to see it.

I'm done.

 

[37818]

The New Testament does not teach the necessity of baptism in order to go to Heaven. You do, . . .

False accusation. Since I believe no such thing. Yes we are done here.

 

[37818]

Personally, I have always as a saved Christian believed being saved, one would now have etenal life with the assurance of going to Heaven when one should die.

The notion that a saved person could become lost made no sense to me. A person who dies and goes to "hell" would not have been saved. Saved means one is going to Heaven.

Being saved is like understanding 1 + 1 = 2. Once you know something like this you can never not know it. Because when one is saved they know God Himself, Romans 8:16. Titus 1:2, 1 John 5:9-12.

 

[Yeshua1]

It appears that you trust in your decision rather than in Christ. The truth is, Jesus, says whoever believes has eternal life. This means you were saved before you made your decision or you would not have believed enough to make it. But the version of the gospel you heard made you, not Christ, the savior. Even though grace saves those who are confused along with the enlightened.

None before receiving Jesus as Lord have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, so were not one of His own yet!

 

[37818]

Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

 

[1689Dave]

Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)