Belief not a gift

[SavedByGrace]

John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

indeed, if faith is a gift only for the elect, then how can God Justly condem those who don't have faith to be saved, as He did not give it to them in the first place? This theology makes God unjust!

 

[SavedByGrace]

That's not a twist, that is reality. Read just the excerpts you have posted in this thread and you know that is true. You just want so badly for Calvin to refute Calvinism but he doesn't. Your hatred of everything reformed theology blinds you and just makes you sound idiotic.

This is from Calvin

And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life

what do you think does not mean, the ENTIRE WORLD? How comes to ignore the other commens of Calvin I posted?

 

[SavedByGrace]

There is no such thing as "elect world."

there is according to those who claim that Jesus only died for the elect, and that WORLD in John 3:16 is the elect!

 

[Reformed1689]

This is from Calvin

And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life

what do you think does not mean, the ENTIRE WORLD? How comes to ignore the other commens of Calvin I posted?

Your comments that you posted from Calvin actually back me up on this.

 

[Reformed1689]

indeed, if faith is a gift only for the elect, then how can God Justly condem those who don't have faith to be saved, as He did not give it to them in the first place? This theology makes God unjust!

God can have mercy on whoever he wants can he not?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Your comments that you posted from Calvin actually back me up on this.

I think that you are seriously DELUDED!

 

[Reformed1689]

there is according to those who claim that Jesus only died for the elect, and that WORLD in John 3:16 is the elect!

Again you are trying to merge two things. Just because we say Christ only died for the elect does not mean world means elect.

 

[SavedByGrace]

God can have mercy on whoever he wants can he not?

Romans 11:32 in context shows that He wants to have Mercy on the entire human race. which you reject because of your theology!

 

[Reformed1689]

I think that you are seriously DELUDED!

Trust me I'm not the deluded one here. After all, you said you can pull a sword with no force.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Again you are trying to merge two things. Just because we say Christ only died for the elect does not mean world means elect.

this is what you are saying with your twist of this verse!

 

[Reformed1689]

Romans 11:32 in context shows that He wants to have Mercy on the entire human race. which you reject because of your theology!

You demonstrate you don't understand the concept of context. This is referring to all as in both Jew and Gentile.

 

[Reformed1689]

this is what you are saying with your twist of this verse!

Except I told you that is not what I am saying so you are wrong.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Trust me I'm not the deluded one here. After all, you said you can pull a sword with no force.

I HAVE!

 

[SavedByGrace]

You demonstrate you don't understand the concept of context. This is referring to all as in both Jew and Gentile.

and WHO do you think the entire world is made up of? JEWS and GENTILES!!! If you are not the one, then you are the other. You cannot accept this because you are more interested in your theology, than what the Bible says!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Except I told you that is not what I am saying so you are wrong.

on this thread, almost EVERYTHING!

 

[SavedByGrace]

you said you can pull a sword with no force

the ONLY time that anyone would use force to remove a sword from its sheath, is IF it were to get stuck in it. Unless you know this yourself, you will never understand!

 

[Mikey]

Have you ever drawn a sword from its sheath? I have can tell you that you do NOT require force

Yes I have. And yes it does.

You should watch this, you might learn something,

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Romans 11:32 in context shows that He wants to have Mercy on the entire human race. which you reject because of your theology!

God actively gives mercy to those he wants to and hardens those he wants to. To deny that is to deny his Godship.

 

[Iconoclast]

The Sovereign Election of God and Missions | Steven Lawson — Session 13

 

[Reformed1689]

the ONLY time that anyone would use force to remove a sword from its sheath, is IF it were to get stuck in it. Unless you know this yourself, you will never understand!

I don't think you know the difference between the word FORCE and FORCEFULLY. Pulling a sword most definitely requires FORCE but you would only have to do it FORCEFULLY if it were stuck.