Featured Belief not a gift

Yes and notice that is not talking at all about who he died for is it? No. You are trying to merge two things together.

 

He can't grasp that.

 

Did you love God before you were saved?

 

Complete NONSENSE

 

I don't twist the Bible

 

Of course you do

 

You can claim that all you want, but Calvin is clear in his writings that he is referring to all people groups, Jew and Gentile, not all individuals, when talking about the atonement.

 

You mean like you do for John 3.16

 

There you go with your twist

 

Jesus himself said it is the work of God that one believes. In any case. Amen, it is not our work.

 

So why would God punish those who do not believe?

 

I agree here, I guess what we have to determine is how it is a gift. Is it only given to some, and kept from others. Or is there another reason or purpose of this gift

 

Not yet..in
John 6 :66 says from that time many walked no more with him..
That shows. It was not only the 12.
In jn17...it includes those who.believe through the Apostles word, so more then the apostles were involved.

 

No.
I used to curse at Christians and did not believe in God at all.

 

I don't twist John 3:16. I just don't add to it something that is not there.

 

That's not a twist, that is reality. Read just the excerpts you have posted in this thread and you know that is true. You just want so badly for Calvin to refute Calvinism but he doesn't. Your hatred of everything reformed theology blinds you and just makes you sound idiotic.

 

John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

I said it all in post 90. So you don't have to do any guessing about what I mean.

 

There is no such thing as "elect world."