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Believers against the War
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This statement is based on a fallacy that we were unprovoked. Therefore the site has no credibility.
Ah, I see. Perhaps you'd care to invade Zimbabwe next, then, based on that principle?
Whether something is prudent from a practical standpoint is different than whether it was appropriate from a moral standpoint.
But yes, if the leadership of Zimbabwe was unjustly and singlehandedly slaughtering large numbers of its own oppressed populus, yes, I would not oppose military action to liberate its people from said leaders.
It's also based on the false premise that Christ was a pacifist and that we, as Christians, are to be pacifists.
But the problem with that argument is that it isn't our job to topple corrupt mini-Hitlers.
Regime change isn't our responsibility, nor is it Constitutional.
And how would you justify that Constitutionally?
But if it's not Constitutional, why are we doing it at all, regularly or not?
No, for two reasons:
The first is that there is a big difference between going to war to defend your country, your allies, and your national interest and going to war to remove a government you don't like.
The second is that we were bound by treaty to defend Great Britain and its allies.
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Yes, it's not our job. That's why we don't do it regularly. When we do so, it's the exception, not the rule.
By that reckoning, it was therefore wrong of us to fight against Germany in WWII.
The US Constitution expressly states that the POTUS is commander in chief of the armed forces. Further, the Iraq War was approved by Congress in 2002, consistent with the Constitutional provision which says Congress has the power to declare war.
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I agree that Christ was not a pacifist. But he lived in a country occupied by a tyrannical government, and never uttered a word against it. We cannot compare our lives ti his, he was not put here to overthrow governments. He was here to defeat sin.
I am against the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, & future wars against Somalia, Pakistan, North Korea & Darfur, because our troops have become nothing more than pawns in a political game. I am against sanctions towards those countris as a precursor to war, as they only starve the poor citizens of those countries. It seems we only fight wars approved by the U.N., the most corrupt, anti-Christian orginization on Earth.
We have gangs right here in America that are a bigger threat than any foreign country. We have corrupt leaders that threaten our liberty more that Sadaam did. We should take the beam out of our own eye.
I am against the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, & future wars against Somalia, Pakistan, North Korea & Darfur, because our troops have become nothing more than pawns in a political game. I am against sanctions towards those countris as a precursor to war, as they only starve the poor citizens of those countries. It seems we only fight wars approved by the U.N., the most corrupt, anti-Christian orginization on Earth.
We have gangs right here in America that are a bigger threat than any foreign country. We have corrupt leaders that threaten our liberty more that Sadaam did. We should take the beam out of our own eye.
Bro. Curtis said:
As am I.
I'm for sanctions.
Agreed. Let's take our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and place them along the US-Mexican border.
David Michael Harris
Active Member
Not looked at the site but will say that I am against war.
Myself, I think that Christians should not be involved in the worlds politics etc.
One sword is enough.
It would certainly reduce the number of posts on the bb by at least 2/3
David Michael Harris
Active Member
It would certainly reduce the number of posts on the bb by at least 2/3
Maybe we could all get on with the Gospel and helping the poor.Not likely. Too many here argue about how others are preaching the gospel (the old "if you're not preaching it my way, you're not preaching it" argument), complaining that feeding the poor isn't what churches should be doing, and plenty of nonsense like that. I'll never forget when someone called me a liberal for volunteering at a local soup kitchen.
If you change 'slaughtering' to 'regularly beating, starving to death and stealing the land of', then you have it about right.
David Michael Harris
Active Member
So are you saying that the US should not have helped liberate France in '44-'45?
Keep in mind that Germany never invaded the USA.
Salty
ps did we have any treaties with European nations in the '30's - '40's
SALTCITYBAPTIST said:
Perhaps "treaties" was a bad choice of words, but we did have several formal agreements that led to our becoming involved in the defense of Great Britain and the rest of Europe.
David Michael Harris
Active Member
What on earth has the US and it's allies have to do with Christianity & Christians?
I am a Brit ( Welshman ) btw, just living here in a wonderful country with the best health care in the world and a social security system that is very very kind and generous.
And I have only voted once when I was 17, 46 now. Became a Christian at 20
David Michael Harris
Active Member
What on earth has the US and it's allies have to do with Christianity & Christians?
I am a Brit ( Welshman ) btw, just living here in a wonderful country with the best health care in the world and a social security system that is very very kind and generous.
And I have only voted once when I was 18, 46 now. Became a Christian at 20