Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness

[Dave G]

I guess you've never heard (and/or believed) ...

"God loves the sinner, but hates the sin!"

Sure I have, many years ago now.

I not only heard it preached from pulpits, I also heard John 3:16 draped over everything like a "blanket verse" used to declare God's love for all of his creation...and then I was reading one day and saw these:

" The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." ( Psalms 5:5 ).
" The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." ( Psalms 11:5 ).

then I realized that He does not love everyone...He actually hates not just the sin, but the sinner.

What's the cave # again ... wherein thouest resides?

Samuels,

Mocking people is not something that we as believers should do.
Rather, we should be quite the opposite in our behavior...even to unbelievers.
As servants of the Lord, we are to follow this:

" But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient,
25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 and [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." ( 2 Timothy 2:23-26 ).

As I've mentioned previously, there is no biblical warrant for treating people as anything other than neighborly.

Please remember the Lord's command in Matthew 7:12.

 

[Dave G]

IMO, habitual sinning is what is meant in all of the "sin list" NT passages.

For those that are unaware of the "sin list" passages Samuels is referring to ( what Roman Catholics call, "mortal sins" ), they can be found here:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11. <---- With this one, verse 11 is never addressed.
Galatians 5:19-21. <---- Here, many who use these verses as support for loss of salvation go no further, missing Galatians 5:22-26.
Ephesians 5:3-8. <--- With this one, verses 6 through 8 are often overlooked.

 

[BroJim95]

You destroy the word of God by adding to it the word "habitual" The verse ;
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We do not commit sin because we are born of God and are under Grace not the Law. We wear the righteousness of Christ and this covering covers our sin. No offense but you really need to sit down and study scripture more than you have and stop adding words to it to make it fit your doctrine.
MB

 

[BroJim95]

You destroy the word of God by adding to it the word "habitual" The verse ;
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We do not commit sin because we are born of God and are under Grace not the Law. We wear the righteousness of Christ and this covering covers our sin. No offense but you really need to sit down and study scripture more than you have and stop adding words to it to make it fit your doctrine.
MB

Your claim that Christians don't commit sin contradicts Scripture: "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us" (John 1:10). Your error is misinterpreting 1 John 3:9. The Greek tense of "commit" is present, which indicates continuing present action. This is reflected in other translations: "continue to sin" (NIV); "practices sin" (NASV).

 

[MB]

Your claim that Christians don't commit sin contradicts Scripture: "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us" (John 1:10). Your error is misinterpreting 1 John 3:9. The Greek tense of "commit" is present, which indicates continuing present action. This is reflected in other translations: "continue to sin" (NIV); "practices sin" (NASV).

The righteousness of Christ covers my sin and in this righteousness it is as if I have never sinned.I believe Solomon wrote;
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

If you are saved by the blood of Christ then you must wear the righteousness of Christ that covers your sins. If so then it's as if you do not sin. Notice;

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This does not say we continue in sin. It clearly states we do not sin. IMO the reason for this is because of Grace.
I'm not impressed by your Greek expert advice. You do not have any dictionary from 2000 years ago so you don't really know whether it is present or not. If it is present tense there is no change in the meaning of the word. Though we all know we sin but where there is no law there is no sin. Paul says we are under grace not the Law.
MB

 

[Samuels]

I'm doin' just find sir I'll be 75 on thursday and I was born again when I was just 14 I am kept in the hand of a living God and no one can snatch me out of His wonderful hand. That's called security.

I apologize if this offend you, but ...
you can snatch yourself out of your comfy eternal security doctrine.
YOU can fall away from the faith.
YOU can cause yourself to be estranged from Christ.
YOU can fall from grace.
YOU can draw back to perdition.
YOU can become a habitual (unrepentant) sinner.
YOU can cause yourself to be blotted out of the Book of Life.
etc.

News Flash ...
YOU have free will to do whatever your little self chooses to do!
YOU are NOT a robot.

It's all a matter of whether we CHOOSE to follow God or Satan.
We have free will to CHOOSE!

 

[Samuels]

The righteousness of Christ covers my sin and in this righteousness it is as if I have never sinned.

Yes, this is credited to you at the moment of your INITIAL salvation!
But, the NT teaches us that this salvation must be maintained.
All I would like to know is ...
what do you say to all of the "keep yourself righteous" verses in the OP?

 

[MB]

I apologize if this offend you, but ...
you can snatch yourself out of your comfy eternal security doctrine.
YOU can fall away from the faith.
YOU can cause yourself to be estranged from Christ.
YOU can fall from grace.
YOU can draw back to perdition.
YOU can become a habitual (unrepentant) sinner.
YOU can cause yourself to be blotted out of the Book of Life.
etc.

News Flash ...
YOU have free will to do whatever your little self chooses to do!
YOU are NOT a robot.

It's all a matter of whether we CHOOSE to follow God or Satan.
We have free will to CHOOSE!

Answer me this. Are you sinless? Have you sinned since you were saved? If so, how are you sinless, since there is no man who does not sin, saved or not.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
We still have the propensity to sin. We either sin in our thoughts or in reality. We still have this sin full body and will until we are translated into a new body. Paul wrote; Chapter 7 in Romans please read it carefully. In order that God may lead you to the truth.
He says that sin dwells in his flesh but in the mind he follows the law of God. The flesh cannot be saved only the spirit. I have battled with my flesh nearly all of my life and still I have yet to live even one day with out sin.

I have learned that sin dwells in my flesh it's where my sinful thoughts come from. If you are honest with your self you will see that the reason you sin everyday is because of your flesh. It is inevitable that we will sin after Salvation. I've never met a perfect Christian, but I have met those who claim they are.
What I think you do not see is the fact when we are given a new body it will not sin because there is no sin dwelling inside it.

MB

 

[MB]

I never said that once we are saved we can practice unrighteousness all we like. That isn't what Salvation is about We are to strive to be righteous and if we sin we have an advocate with the Father. Jesus Christ. He is faithfull if we confess our sins He will forgive them and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
MB

 

[Samuels]

Answer me this. Are you sinless? Have you sinned since you were saved? If so, how are you sinless, since there is no man who does not sin, saved or not.

Perhoops, you've not been payin' attention all of these weeks to what I've been saying!

 

[Samuels]

We are to strive to be righteous and if we sin we have an advocate with the Father. Jesus Christ. He is faithfull if we confess our sins He will forgive them and cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Doesn't sound at all like what you've been saying in your posts!
Is your nick-name, "Camelion"?

 

[MB]

Doesn't sound at all like what you've been saying in your posts!
Is your nick-name, "Camelion"?

I still believe that we cannot loose our Salvation because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and the fact there are no gaps in eternity nor does eternity ever end
I've been reading your post yet you have not shown sufficiently that we can loose our Salvation. If one is saved we will automatically become a new person Those who often claim they are saved but do not live a Christian life most likely were never saved in the first place. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means because I do sin. Yet I always repent of my sins and ask for forgiveness. I hopeyou do the same because we all sin.
MB

 

[Dave G]

YOU have free will to do whatever your little self chooses to do!

Except to keep God from casting a person into Hell for their sins.

It's all a matter of whether we CHOOSE to follow God or Satan.

That's an illusion.

Mankind follows after Satan by default.
The minute we as a race chose to sin, we fell into rebellion...which is as the sin of witchcraft ( 1 Samuel 15:23 ).

Sin, the ultimate spiritual addiction, has its hold over all of mankind.
The Lord is the only one who breaks that hold.

 

[Samuels]

Sin, the ultimate spiritual addiction, has its hold over all of mankind.
The Lord is the only one who breaks that hold.

If forget ... Do we agree that ...
man is NOT capable of choosing Jesus and His gospel,
so God must provide the necessary faith for him to believe?

 

[Dave G]

man is NOT capable of choosing Jesus and His gospel,

John 6:44
John 10:26
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

so God must provide the necessary faith for him to believe?

Ephesians 2:8-9
Philippians 1:29

 

[MB]

If forget ... Do we agree that ...
man is NOT capable of choosing Jesus and His gospel,
so God must provide the necessary faith for him to believe?

Are you becoming a Calvinist or is this question from your Armenian doctrine?
The reason I'm asking is that there is no disability of man to choose Christ for Salvation once they hear the gospel. And they can hear it

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
MB

 

[BroJim95]

For those that are unaware of the "sin list" passages Samuels is referring to ( what Roman Catholics call, "mortal sins" ), they can be found here:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11. <---- With this one, verse 11 is never addressed.
Galatians 5:19-21. <---- Here, many who use these verses as support for loss of salvation go no further, missing Galatians 5:22-26.
Ephesians 5:3-8. <--- With this one, verses 6 through 8 are often overlooked.

The righteousness of Christ covers my sin and in this righteousness it is as if I have never sinned.I believe Solomon wrote;
Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

If you are saved by the blood of Christ then you must wear the righteousness of Christ that covers your sins. If so then it's as if you do not sin. Notice;

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This does not say we continue in sin. It clearly states we do not sin. IMO the reason for this is because of Grace.
I'm not impressed by your Greek expert advice. You do not have any dictionary from 2000 years ago so you don't really know whether it is present or not. If it is present tense there is no change in the meaning of the word. Though we all know we sin but where there is no law there is no sin. Paul says we are under grace not the Law.
MB

You have not responded to the Scripture I quoted. Here it is again, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us" (John 1:10). What is your interpretation of this specific verse?

 

[Samuels]

... there is no disability of man to choose Christ for Salvation once they hear the gospel. And they can hear it
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Oh man, I graduated from Kindergarden years ago.
Do you really need to see all of the verses proving post #74?

 

[Samuels]

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us"
(1 John 1:10).

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

IMO, 1 John 3:9 refers to habitual (unrepentant) sin.

IMO, 1 John 1:10 refers to the occasional sin (repented of ?).

 

[Dave G]

What is your interpretation of this specific verse?

I wasn't aware that Scripture, outside of prophecies, needed any "interpretation".
What does it say?

" If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." ( 1 John 1:10 ).

To clarify, if those of us who profess Christ say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
How do we make Him a liar if we say we have not sinned?

Because His word says that we have:

1 Kings 8:46
2 Chronicles 6:36
Psalms 14:3
Psalms 130:3
Ecclesiastes 7:20
Romans 3:10
Romans 3:23