Benny Hinn Discussions

[Ray Berrian]

Mcdirector,

In the northeast the Mormons have an advertisement saying send for your KJV Bible. And at the end of their ad is says from the Mormon Church. You know which Bible will follow---the book of Mormon. This is the 'hook' as you suggested.

I am only saying that many Christians are so set in their ways that they only think their denomination is going to Heaven.

The only requirement for entering Heaven is John 3:16. I was saved at age eleven and knew little to nothing about doctrine or theology. Was I saved at that early age? Yes.

Some store front preachers have no theological background but love the Lord and want to tell what Christ has done for them. They do a lot of good though I must admit they might teach some wrong things.

I am saying we should not be negative saints sitting on our throne of judging other Christians. The Lord will bring someone into their lives to guide them into the full truths of God. I still say there are to many negative Christians who I called, 'sour pusses.'

Does Rev. Copeland and Hinn have extra-Biblical books of the Bible that they say are Christ's Divine Word. I do not think so; they come with the Bible alone. I am sure you do not believe all that your pastors says, but then he or she probably does not get into the controversial subjects as in eschatology or whatever.

I never have preached on things that Christians cannot do in the Christian life. I believe the Holy Spirit can do a better ministry/job in their lives than I can. Plus, they will be more inclined to receive it from Him than me. The Spirit of God is always at work wherever the Word of God has been planted in the hearts of human beings.

 

[mcdirector]

Ray,

First, this is not a conversation I regularly have in real time. Although I am a teacher and if it came up in class, I'd address it pointedly.

I agree with much you are saying, but I cannot in good faith know that someone was listening to Benny Hinn and not say a word. I do not think that speaking out against someone you believe is in error is being judgemental. It is through that conversation that I might be led to examine the scripture and consequently come to believe otherwise. The same might happen conversely.

BUT What if, when you were saved knowing little as most of us do, what if you had sat at the feet of a teacher who professed the name of Christ, but was not theologically sound? I'm not denying the Holy Spirit can work through that, but our human condition makes it very hard for us to see and overcome error when it's been taught from someone we respect and admire.

 

[Ray Berrian]

When I was a teen and of course before going to Bible College, I disagreed with some of the things my pastor taught, because the Holy Spirit would not bear witness to me that these ideas of his were right.

After Bible College instruction from professors and dorm 'bull sessions' I got into the Word and found out the pastor was wrong. Plus, a couple of years in Greek class forced me to check what the Greek scholars had written down.

If we really want to know the truth God thd Spirit is faithful to us.

As to Pastor Hinn I have heard him preach about receiving Christ as Savior and Lord and I believe this is the foundational message of the Bible.

And Copeland generally has a good message from the Lord, though I immediately get turned off when these men get on the hobby-horse as to see giving faith. I am not so sure they want the Lord to get the return on the dollar, but to their organization for personal profit.

I do believe if you give to the Lord far above the tithe, He will take care of you in all of your needs. I believe money is given to us to spread the Gospel to the lost and not to buy a second house and a luxury car for our personal pleasure.

A Mr. Laternaux (sp.) kept giving to the Lord's work until he gave 90% to Him and he lived on the 10%. That is quite a testimony to the man's love and devotion to Christ.

 

[Jim1999]

Personally, I think we pay far more attention to the likes of Benny Hinn than they deserve. Look at this forum,,gone 7 pages! How many pages do we dedicate to those men who have done far more to advance the kingdom..even those whose lives were short lived, such as Jim Elliot?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[eloidalmanutha]

It is true that God will use anything and anyone to get the attention of people. That is His grace - something that is unfathomable to human understanding. I also know that there are many truly born again people within the charis venue. However; the Bible is clear that there will be false teachers and prophets and they will lead people astray.

It is up to each of us to become knowledgeable as to what God's Word says and the basic foundation of His gift through His Son Jesus Christ. By a continued "meal" of heresy and false teachings, the Christian will easily be led astray. This is why we must hold EVERY teacher/pastor to the Light of God's Word.

If one continues to be fed by teachers like Hinn and Copeland, who do not believe that Jesus was, is, and always will be God, you WILL be led down the path of deception. By the grace of God, saved as through the fire. That would not be my choice on judgment day.

I am amazed at the number of people who shrug off the fact that these men are not teaching Biblical principles, but nothing less than blasphemy, and have fallen and are trapped into exactly what Jesus warned us of. I cannot understand why people would want to lap up this kind of poison with their eyes wide open. It grieves my heart.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Ray,

Just because someone preaches from the Bible does not mean their hearts are right with the Lord.

I have seen many televangelists whose god was the money and fame.

And a few pastors in that category as well.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

posted by Ray Berrian:

I am only saying that many Christians are so set in their ways that they only think their denomination is going to Heaven.

The only requirement for entering Heaven is John 3:16. I was saved at age eleven and knew little to nothing about doctrine or theology. Was I saved at that early age? Yes.

Some store front preachers have no theological background but love the Lord and want to tell what Christ has done for them. They do a lot of good though I must admit they might teach some wrong things.

I am saying we should not be negative saints sitting on our throne of judging other Christians. The Lord will bring someone into their lives to guide them into the full truths of God. I still say there are to many negative Christians who I called, 'sour pusses.'

Does Rev. Copeland and Hinn have extra-Biblical books of the Bible that they say are Christ's Divine Word. I do not think so; they come with the Bible alone. I am sure you do not believe all that your pastors says, but then he or she probably does not get into the controversial subjects as in eschatology or whatever.

The Spirit of God is always at work wherever the Word of God has been planted in the hearts of human beings. [/QB]

I think you are missing the point. It's not that God will use teachers or pastors, but rather that not all pastors and teachers are of God - just because they appear to use the Bible.

It's not about denomination, it's about the Truth. The grace of God will "work" with anyone who is humbled and willing to continue to learn from His Word throughout their life. BUT, it is contingent on TRUTH. Hinn and Copeland DO NOT have the truth. They do not believe or teach that Jesus is God. Without that concept firmly as the cornerstone/foundation of one's salvation, all else is DECEPTION. NO good fruit can come from a corrupt tree.

Copeland and Hinn have written books, have loads of "preaching/teaching" tapes and videos all wrapped up in $$$ to purchase to enhance your "spirituality". They may not have their own translated "version of the week", but what they sell is the Word twisted to their own system of belief through these other venues. It is designed to get you to "sow in their little kingdoms". This is NOT Biblical.

In the case of Hinn and Copeland, "The Spirit of God is always at work wherever the Word of God has been planted in the hearts of human beings." is NOT the case. They are of the anti-messiah spirit and this is where their teachings are birthed and given root. This is anathema to God - and is called ANOTHER GOSPEL.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:

The only requirement for entering Heaven is John 3:16. I was saved at age eleven and knew little to nothing about doctrine or theology. Was I saved at that early age? Yes.

The Muslims believe in Jesus. They revere him greatly, almost as great as Mohammed. They even beleive that he is coming again. According to your logic a Muslim can be saved too.

Benny Hinn does not believe that Christ is God; but he does believe in Jesus.
A Muslim does not believe that Christ is God; but he does believe in Jesus.
What's the difference?
DHK

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Big difference though. The Jesus that the Muslims believe in is only a prophet or great teacher and not the Son of Almighty God.

 

[DHK]

We know that, But Benny Hinn doesn't. He believes that Christ shed his divinity and gave it to man. That is why he says: "We are all little gods running around on this earth."

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Benny can believe in being a god all he wants, but it ain't gonna happen.

And that's why....

"Ye must be born again"

 

[eloidalmanutha]

posted by Ray Berrian:
I do believe if you give to the Lord far above the tithe, He will take care of you in all of your needs. I believe money is given to us to spread the Gospel to the lost and not to buy a second house and a luxury car for our personal pleasure.

interesting article on the riches of the televangelists including hinn and copeland
[copeland is the king of air space with a hanger full]:

http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/archives/airmen.html

hinn dateline article expose on his riches:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/hinn/hinn21.html

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ray Berrian:

The only requirement for entering Heaven is John 3:16. I was saved at age eleven and knew little to nothing about doctrine or theology. Was I saved at that early age? Yes.

The Muslims believe in Jesus. They revere him greatly, almost as great as Mohammed. They even beleive that he is coming again. According to your logic a Muslim can be saved too.

Benny Hinn does not believe that Christ is God; but he does believe in Jesus.
A Muslim does not believe that Christ is God; but he does believe in Jesus.
What's the difference?
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]The JW's believe in Jesus, but that He is not God..

The Mormons believe in Jesus, but that He is not God..

Some religions from India have Jesus as a saint, but they do not believe that He is God..

The gnostics believed in Jesus, but did not believe that He was God..

The Christadelphians believe in Jesus, but they do not believe that He is God..

The demons believe in Jesus......

If you believe in another Jesus and another Gospel, according to the Word, you are accursed.

satan doesn't care if you worship a coke bottle, as long as you don't worship the Jesus of the Bible. Another Jesus doesn't count.

John 8
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

 

[Ray Berrian]

Do you four men on this page 8 know that you are saved?

I frankly do not believe all the trash that you say about Rev. Hinn.

I know I am and will be saved and the Lord will judge each of us. Your being saved is not dependent on a perfect theology. The question is do you, me and Hinn trust and believe in Him as Lord and Savior. John 5:22 says that Jesus will be the judge of each of our lives, not you.

 

[Jim1999]

We may not need a perfect theology, but we sure do need a perfect Christology, and Mr. Hinn falls far short in this department. Sorry, facts outweigh all the hopes one can have.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Ray Berrian]

Jim,

I agree that every Christian must be clear about who Christ is--as the Apostle John indicates in I John 4:2.

Rev. Hinn calls men and women to receive Christ as Savior and Lord. Why does Hinn use the same words above as every Baptist pastor uses or words like this? He is calling people to salvation just as any other Christian church.

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Rev. Hinn calls men and women to receive Christ as Savior and Lord. Why does Hinn use the same words above as every Baptist pastor uses or words like this? He is calling people to salvation just as any other Christian church. [/QB]

What Benny meant by Jesus and by Salvation may be different from the True ones, as happens quite often. This is why we need some good discernment.

John 8:41
Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus said unto them,
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: F19 for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Jim,

I agree that every Christian must be clear about who Christ is--as the Apostle John indicates in I John 4:2.

Rev. Hinn calls men and women to receive Christ as Savior and Lord. Why does Hinn use the same words above as every Baptist pastor uses or words like this? He is calling people to salvation just as any other Christian church.

because hinn is masquerading as an angel of light. how else do you suppose he is fooling christians? deception does not come marked: beware, I want your soul. it comes as an angel of light, looking like God, sounding like God, feeling like God, but it's not - it's called a seducing spirit. read for yourself, Ray - the information is there for all to read.


http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bhinn.html

 

[mcdirector]

I'm beginning to feel like we are chasing our tails here. *He is sincere, he isn't. He's a heretic, he's not.*

We all seem to be saying the same thing we came in with.

I know I haven't changed my mind.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by mcdirector:
I'm beginning to feel like we are chasing our tails here. *He is sincere, he isn't. He's a heretic, he's not.*

We all seem to be saying the same thing we came in with.

I know I haven't changed my mind.

I didn't think I would ever change my mind either. How can I give up, when God kept sticking the truth in front of me time and time again? "If I see what appears to be the enemy and feel that I know the intent, and do nothing - then the blood is on my hands"