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Best majority text version?
- Thread starter banana
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The NKJV is not, strictly speaking, a Majority Text version because it follows the KJV/TR.
The English Majority Text Version (translated by Phil Esposito) is based on the Hodges-Farstad Majority Text. It's at http://www.majoritytext.com/.
Wilbur Pickering's translation is at http://www.prunch.org/new-translation-of-the-nt/.
The English Majority Text Version (translated by Phil Esposito) is based on the Hodges-Farstad Majority Text. It's at http://www.majoritytext.com/.
Wilbur Pickering's translation is at http://www.prunch.org/new-translation-of-the-nt/.
franklinmonroe
Active Member
Welcome to the BB, banana!
https://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=57539&highlight=majority+text+versions
The thread is slightly out-of-date since there has been at least one more MT-based NT to be published recently -- the MLV.
https://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=97485
If you have a question you might try a search of the BB to see if the subject has been discussed before. For example, look here --
https://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=57539&highlight=majority+text+versions
The thread is slightly out-of-date since there has been at least one more MT-based NT to be published recently -- the MLV.
https://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=97485
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You can add the FarAboveAll Bible, which includes a translation of the Robinson-Pierpont MT (although it appears it's still a work in progress).
http://faraboveall.com/050_BibleTranslation/01_BibleTranslationIndex.html
http://faraboveall.com/050_BibleTranslation/01_BibleTranslationIndex.html
The WEB is by far the best majority text translation...and probably the only completed one.
I thought this comment on the website was good.
A good quick test of whether you have a good Bible is to look at 1 Timothy 3:16. If it reads God was manifest in the flesh, then you very probably have a good translation based on the Majority or Received text. If it reads He was manifest in the flesh, then your translation is not based on the Majority or Received Text. If it reads e.g. Christ came in a body, then it is not a translation of any manuscript at all, and is just the result of some-one fooling around on holy ground. Without God was manifest in the flesh, the Christian has been robbed of a rare and precious statement of perhaps the most tremendous truth in the Bible, that his Saviour Who walked this earth as a man and gave His life for him, is in fact a manifestation of God!
There are plenty of "good" bibles based on the Critical Text. The CT versions that use the word for word translation philosophy are the best bibles to use for study.
If you are committed to using the Majority Text, use the World English Bible. As someone pointed out "Lulu" might be able to provide you a bound hard copy version.
If you are committed to using the Majority Text, use the World English Bible. As someone pointed out "Lulu" might be able to provide you a bound hard copy version.
You are carrying things too far there. Just because a translation doesn't have the word "God" in that particular text is not committing theft. It is very clear in the majority of English translations that Christ is being referenced. Besides, there are other passages that communicate the same message:John 1:14; Philippians 2:7,8; 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 7.
And in 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't sarx mean body in that context?
The NLT has "revealed in a human body.
Weymouth has :"appeared in human form."
Both convey the very same thing as "flesh" does.
Zoooooooom! Right over his head. Again!
Well, don't hold it against him.Zoooooooom! Right over his head. Again!
NLT: "Christ was revealed in a human body." Not one shred of manuscript evidence to support "Christ" (Χριστὸς).
WEYMOUTH: "Christ appeared in human form." Again, not one shred of manuscript evidence to support the reading "Christ" (Χριστὸς).
There are two choices. "Θεὸς" or "ος."
(There is one variant so rare as to be dismissed as a simple scribal error. "ο" meaning "which.")
NA/USB lists 5 uncials, Aleph, A, C, F, and G, in support of "ος."
However, 4 of those, A, C, F, and G, have been challenged as containing the cross hatch making the ο a Θ.
And the corrector's Θ added to Aleph has been examined using modern ultraviolet and infrared spectroscopy and it was determined the correction corresponded to the date of the original manuscript.
Contrast that with the over 300 manuscripts which read "Θεὸς" and it become pretty clear. "Θεὸς" is the original, inspired, reading.
WEYMOUTH: "Christ appeared in human form." Again, not one shred of manuscript evidence to support the reading "Christ" (Χριστὸς).
There are two choices. "Θεὸς" or "ος."
(There is one variant so rare as to be dismissed as a simple scribal error. "ο" meaning "which.")
NA/USB lists 5 uncials, Aleph, A, C, F, and G, in support of "ος."
However, 4 of those, A, C, F, and G, have been challenged as containing the cross hatch making the ο a Θ.
And the corrector's Θ added to Aleph has been examined using modern ultraviolet and infrared spectroscopy and it was determined the correction corresponded to the date of the original manuscript.
Contrast that with the over 300 manuscripts which read "Θεὸς" and it become pretty clear. "Θεὸς" is the original, inspired, reading.
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It can be no one else but Christ.
That's Weymouth. See above.
Tell you what, you can rely on your experts and I will rely on mine. Most textual New Testament scholars differ with your opinions regarding this.There are two choices. "Θεὸς" or "ος."
(There is one variant so rare as to be dismissed as a simple scribal error. "ο" meaning "which.")
NA/USB lists 5 uncials, Aleph, A, C, F, and G, in support of "ος."
However, 4 of those, A, C, F, and G, have been challenged as containing the cross hatch making the ο a Θ.
And the corrector's Θ added to Aleph has been examined using modern ultraviolet and infrared spectroscopy and it was determined the correction corresponded to the date of the original manuscript.
Contrast that with the over 300 manuscripts which read "Θεὸς" and it become pretty clear. "Θεὸς" is the original, inspired, reading.
Zoooooom! Right over his head again.
The issue is NOT who is being referred to. The issue is WHAT DOES IT SAY!
That is the difference. You are forced to accept the opinion of your "experts" while I can look at the photo-reproductions of the actual manuscripts and read what it actually says.
Ignatius (ca 35-50 to 98-117)
Ignatius was an apostolic father, someone who had received his instruction straight from the apostle John. He was bishop in Antioch, and at the end of his life was eaten by the lions in the Colosseum in Rome.
Although Ignatius does not quote 1 Timothy 3:16 exactly, the Apostolic Fathers seldom quote exact verses, he alludes to it clearly in 3 places.
I'll give one quote, from Ignatius' letter to the Ephesians (taken from chapter 7 and chapter 19).
Ignatius was an apostolic father, someone who had received his instruction straight from the apostle John. He was bishop in Antioch, and at the end of his life was eaten by the lions in the Colosseum in Rome.
Although Ignatius does not quote 1 Timothy 3:16 exactly, the Apostolic Fathers seldom quote exact verses, he alludes to it clearly in 3 places.
I'll give one quote, from Ignatius' letter to the Ephesians (taken from chapter 7 and chapter 19).
franklinmonroe
Active Member
I did a computer-aided search of the MLV mentioned in Post#5 (thread link because it is based on the Byz Text) for "reward". The results --
MODERN LITERAL VERSION
Matthew
Chapter 5
12 Rejoice and be glad, because your* reward is much in the heavens; for* thus, they persecuted the prophets who were before you*.
46 For* if you* love* those who love* you*, what reward do you* have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Chapter 6
1 Take-heed not to do your* charity in front of men, to be seen by them otherwise you* have no reward from your* Father who is in the heavens.
2 Therefore whenever you are doing charity, do not sound a trumpet in front of you like the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the lanes, *that they may be glorified by men. Assuredly I say to you*, They are having their reward.
5 And whenever you* pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the squares, *that they may appear devout to men. Assuredly I say to you* that they are having their reward.
16 Now whenever you* fast, do not become like the hypocrites, with a gloomy face; for* they disfigure their faces, *that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly I say to you*, They are having their reward.
Chapter 10
41 He who accepts a prophet in the name of a prophet, will receive a prophet's reward, and he who accepts a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, will receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to drink to one of these little ones, in the name of a disciple, assuredly I say to you*, He may never* lose his reward.
{Footnotes: Mt 10:4- Or: zealot. See Lk. 6:15, Acts 1:13.}
Mark
Chapter 9
41 For* whoever gives you* a cup of water to drink in my name, because you* are of Christ, assuredly I say to you*, he may never* lose his reward.
Luke
Chapter 6
23 Rejoice in that day and jump for joy, for* behold your* reward is much in heaven; for* their fathers did to the prophets according to the same things.
35 However love* your* enemies and do kind things for them and lend, hoping for nothing again. And your* reward will be much and you* will be sons of the Highest, because he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.
Acts
Chapter 1
18 (Therefore indeed, this man procured a parcel of ground with the reward of his unrighteousness, and he happened to fall-flat and ruptured in the middle and all his bowels were poured out.
Romans
Chapter 4
4 Now to him who is working, the reward is not counted according to grace, but according to debt.
1 Corinthians
Chapter 9
17 For* if I am doing this voluntarily, I have a reward, but if I do so involuntarily, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
18 Then* what is my reward? That*, when I proclaim the good-news of the Christ, I may place the good-news before you * without cost, *that* I may not make full use of my authority in the good-news.
Chapter 3
8 Now the one who is planting and the one who is watering are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
14 If anyone's work remains which he built upon it, he will receive a reward.
Hebrews
Chapter 11
6 And without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God; for* it is essential for the one who comes to God to believe that he is and that he becomes a rewarder to those who are seeking him out.
26 He was deeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for* he was looking toward the reward.
Chapter 10
35 Therefore do not cast away your* boldness, which has great reward.
Chapter 2
2 For* if the word spoken through the messengers became steadfast and every transgression and disobedience* received a just reward;
2 John
Chapter 1
8 Beware in yourselves, that* you* should not destroy the things which we have worked in you *, but that* we may receive a full reward.
Jude
Chapter 1
11 Woe to them! Because they went in the way of Cain and poured themselves into the error of Balaam's reward and perished in the dispute of Korah. {Gen 4:8; Num 22:1-41; Num 16:1-50}
Revelation
Chapter 11
18 And the nations were angry and your wrath came and the time of the dead to be judged and the time to give their reward to your bondservants, the prophets, and to the holy-ones, and to those who fear your name, to the little and to the great, and to have decay for those who are corrupting the earth.
Chapter 22
12 Behold, I am coming shortly, and my reward is with me, to give to each one as his work will be.
The cross-check of KJV shows "reward" at all these verses also. Something is amiss in Post #6.Matthew
Chapter 5
12 Rejoice and be glad, because your* reward is much in the heavens; for* thus, they persecuted the prophets who were before you*.
46 For* if you* love* those who love* you*, what reward do you* have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Chapter 6
1 Take-heed not to do your* charity in front of men, to be seen by them otherwise you* have no reward from your* Father who is in the heavens.
2 Therefore whenever you are doing charity, do not sound a trumpet in front of you like the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the lanes, *that they may be glorified by men. Assuredly I say to you*, They are having their reward.
5 And whenever you* pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the squares, *that they may appear devout to men. Assuredly I say to you* that they are having their reward.
16 Now whenever you* fast, do not become like the hypocrites, with a gloomy face; for* they disfigure their faces, *that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly I say to you*, They are having their reward.
Chapter 10
41 He who accepts a prophet in the name of a prophet, will receive a prophet's reward, and he who accepts a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, will receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to drink to one of these little ones, in the name of a disciple, assuredly I say to you*, He may never* lose his reward.
{Footnotes: Mt 10:4- Or: zealot. See Lk. 6:15, Acts 1:13.}
Mark
Chapter 9
41 For* whoever gives you* a cup of water to drink in my name, because you* are of Christ, assuredly I say to you*, he may never* lose his reward.
Luke
Chapter 6
23 Rejoice in that day and jump for joy, for* behold your* reward is much in heaven; for* their fathers did to the prophets according to the same things.
35 However love* your* enemies and do kind things for them and lend, hoping for nothing again. And your* reward will be much and you* will be sons of the Highest, because he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.
Acts
Chapter 1
18 (Therefore indeed, this man procured a parcel of ground with the reward of his unrighteousness, and he happened to fall-flat and ruptured in the middle and all his bowels were poured out.
Romans
Chapter 4
4 Now to him who is working, the reward is not counted according to grace, but according to debt.
1 Corinthians
Chapter 9
17 For* if I am doing this voluntarily, I have a reward, but if I do so involuntarily, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
18 Then* what is my reward? That*, when I proclaim the good-news of the Christ, I may place the good-news before you * without cost, *that* I may not make full use of my authority in the good-news.
Chapter 3
8 Now the one who is planting and the one who is watering are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
14 If anyone's work remains which he built upon it, he will receive a reward.
Hebrews
Chapter 11
6 And without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God; for* it is essential for the one who comes to God to believe that he is and that he becomes a rewarder to those who are seeking him out.
26 He was deeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for* he was looking toward the reward.
Chapter 10
35 Therefore do not cast away your* boldness, which has great reward.
Chapter 2
2 For* if the word spoken through the messengers became steadfast and every transgression and disobedience* received a just reward;
2 John
Chapter 1
8 Beware in yourselves, that* you* should not destroy the things which we have worked in you *, but that* we may receive a full reward.
Jude
Chapter 1
11 Woe to them! Because they went in the way of Cain and poured themselves into the error of Balaam's reward and perished in the dispute of Korah. {Gen 4:8; Num 22:1-41; Num 16:1-50}
Revelation
Chapter 11
18 And the nations were angry and your wrath came and the time of the dead to be judged and the time to give their reward to your bondservants, the prophets, and to the holy-ones, and to those who fear your name, to the little and to the great, and to have decay for those who are corrupting the earth.
Chapter 22
12 Behold, I am coming shortly, and my reward is with me, to give to each one as his work will be.
Additionally, the word "rearward" does not appear in the KJV, NASB, NIV, ESV or HCSB text.
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