Better yet when did Christ DIE ?

[TCassidy]

Originally posted by whatever:
No, my purpose is to try to get you to think about why Jesus says "after three days" but Paul says "on the third day". Was Paul wrong? Was Jesus wrong? Or is there a third option? Maybe it isn't as clear-cut as you think.

The problem may be in your assuming that the "third day" references are to the physical resurrection of His body. It is more likely, in context, that such verses are speaking of His spiritual resurrection from sheol, or the place of the dead, thus freeing us from that penalty for sin, which was followed by the physical resurrection of His body.

 

[RightFromWrong]

Whatever.... you jusy want to argue. There are more verses saying AFTER then ON. So what if Christ rose ON the third day it could have been the last minute of the third day and still have been a FULL three days and Three nights.

Whats wrong with you ? the proof still stands Jesus was in the tomb three days and three nights.

So he couldn't have been crucified on Friday like the Catholics say, no matter what !

 

[RightFromWrong]

Whatever......I think I am going to stick with Jesus account of what he was going to do. Jesus words in the Bible said AFTER three days.

So whats your point ? Either way you have none

Jesus said:

MATT. 12:40 " So shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the Earth. "

MATT. 27:63 " And AFTER Three days, I will rise again ".

MARK.8:31 " And AFTER three days, I will rise again ".

JOHN 2:19 " Destroy this Temple (body) and I will raise it again in THREE days ".

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
Whatever.... you jusy want to argue.

No, I just want to know what you think about what Paul said. Hint: he was quoting scripture.

 

[rstrats]

RightFromWrong,


re: “4) The Feast of First Fruits on Sun. He became the first fruits of the resurrection
1 COR. 15:20-23. “


You can’t really use the firstfruits wavesheaf typology to support a first day resurrection because the moment of resurrection did not fulfill the typology. That didn’t occur until the Messiah presented Himself to the Father later on the first day.

 

[J. Jump]

In my understanding (and I apologize because there is an OT Scripture I believe that points this out and I can't remember it off the top of my head - shame on me) but the Jews consider anything that happened on a day to include the entire day.

I'll use an Americanized analogy . . . if something happened at 11:59 on Friday then it is counted as taking place throughout that entire day. If something happened at any point on Sunday then it is counted to have happened throughout that entire day.

So by my understanding of the way Jews counted days Christ could have died on Friday and rose on Sunday without any what we might think of as technical problems.

 

[rstrats]

J. Jump,

As regards the Jewish practice of counting any part of a day as a whole day I would agree, but when “nights” is added to “days” to yield the phrase “3 days AND 3 nights” it normally refers to a measurement of a consecutive time period where “day” refers to the light portion of a 24 hour period and “night” refers to the dark portion of a 24 hour period. No one In the history of apologetics, as far as I know, has ever presented any historical documentation that the phrase “ 3 days AND 3 nights” was a unique first century idiom of Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek which could mean something different than what the phrase means in English.

 

[AresMan]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
Wednesday, 14 Nisan, 31AD.

Yes, most people would say 33AD because Jesus was 33 years old. However, our Gregorian calendar is off by about two years.

 

[Mel Miller]

Whatever and rstrats,

Two quotes:
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Whatever:
"My purpose is to try to get you to think about why Jesus says "after three days" but Paul says "on the third day".
rstrats:
"No one has ever presented documentation that the phrase `3 days AND 3 nights' was a unique first century idiom which could mean something different than the phrase means in English."
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The Synoptic Gospels reveal the counting of days allow that "any part of a day can be considered a whole 24-hour day and night". Also John states Jesus was crucified on the "day of preparation" which, according to the great Jewish scholar, Alfred Edersheim, was recognized by Jews as a FRIDAY!

Matthew and Mark state that "after SIX days" (from the revelation that "some would not die until they had seen God's kingdom having come in power) Jesus took three disciples to the Mt. of
Transfiguration. Matt.17:1; Mark 9:1.

Luke 9:28 says it was "about EIGHT days" !!!
Luke counted the time before 6 PM of the first
day and the time after 6 PM on the 6th day as
two separated "24-hour days".

From Passover Friday at 3 PM to 6 PM was day one.
From Friday at 6 PM to Sat. at 6 PM was day two.
From Sat. 6 PM to the resurretion was day three.

"After" the 6th day allows for saying it was
"about 8 days". "After the third day" for the resurrection is the same as saying "on the third day" because any part of the third day was both
"after" it began and was also "on the third day".
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I have charts at www.lastday.net under God's
Timing and Biblical Month and 70 Sevens and
70th Seven to show that FRIDAY was the only
possible day and the Day of Preparation was
the High Sabbath before the regular Sabbath.

Friday the 14th of Nisan was the only day of
the month on which Passover occurred once
every 7 years on a 360-day annual countdown
for 483 years from BC 445 to AD 32.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

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[EdSutton]

Originally posted by menageriekeeper:
Because it would disrupt the work week if we celebrated Good Wednesday or Good Thursday!

However, I believe the Lord was crucified on Thursday. Not other day fits all the Biblical phenomena accurately.
Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Originally posted by whatever:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
So why do we celebrate GOOD FRIDAY ?

Jesus said " Just as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, so SHALL the son of man be 3 days and three nights in the heart of the earth "

So there is no way he died on Friday.

Bt Paul says that Jesus "was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures". If He died on Wednesday wouldn't "on the third day" mean Saturday? </font>[/QUOTE]Bingo!

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
I've looked at all three veiws, the thing that sealed it for me was THREE full days and THREE full nights. Otherwise Jesus would be a liar.

And the fact that Jesus FULFILLED the four Sabbaths in a row. Everything in the Old Testament POINTED to Christ including this truth.
Hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled by Christ including these four Sabbaths. In my opinion there can be NO other veiw.

By the way it was the Catholics who started the Good friday since they didn't have a clear understanding that it was a HIGH SABBATH, and that there were four in a row. They thought it was a regular Sabbath SAT.

I believe you added the words "full", in there. I don't recall reading that in any text. Not to mention, there is no Biblical mention of "the four Sabbaths in a row".

The day may or may not be Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. But let's determine that from Scripture, not some alleged "four in a row Sabbaths".

FTR, the first day of the feast day of 'unleavened' bread was also a Sabbath (an Holy convocation). It is not the same as Passover, although the 'locals' used the terms interchangeably to some degree in the Gospels. And there is some distinction made between what were feast days and/or Holy convocations, and/or Sabbaths in the Levitical Law, as I read it.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
This is the MOST interesting part. By doing this JESUS FULFILLED all the Jewish feast.

1) The feast of the Passover on Thursday. 14th day of Nissan Christ became our passover Lamb.

2) The Feast of the Unleaven Bread on Friday.
Christ who had NO corruption was in the tomb on this day which signifies that he had NO CORRUPTION in him. ( leaven is a type of corruption. Acts 2:27, 30 & 31.

3) The regular Sabbath on Sat he rested therefore fulfilling the Jewish LAW of the Sabbath.

4) The Feast of First Fruits on Sun.
He became the first fruits of the ressurection
1 COR. 15:20-23.

Read it carefully! First Fruits is NOT a Sabbath.

Ed

 

[rstrats]

Mel Miller,


re: “The Synoptic Gospels reveal the counting of days allow that ‘any part of a day can be considered a whole 24-hour day and night.’"


Agree. But when “nights” is added to “days” to yield the phrase “three days AND three nights”, as E.W.Bullinger says, “...the expression ceases to be an idiom, and becomes a literal statement of fact.” If you have first century documentation to the contrary, I would very much like to see it.



re: “Also John states Jesus was crucified on the "day of preparation" which, according to the great Jewish scholar, Alfred Edersheim,”


That the term “preparation day “ did not always have to mean the day before the 7th day Sabbath is attested to by the great Rabbi Samuel Lacks who states: “The day of preparation (Greek ‘paraskeue’) equals Friday OR the day before a holiday” - [A Rabbinic Commentary of the New Testament]. Therefore, the preparation day mentioned in your reference did not HAVE to be referring to a Friday.

 

[Hope of Glory]

The day before Passover in 29 AD.

 

[rstrats]

The second reference in my last post is corrected to read: “Also John states Jesus was crucified on the 'day of preparation' which, according to the great Jewish scholar, Alfred Edersheim, was recognized by Jews as a FRIDAY!”

 

[genesis12]

Two songs come to mind (nay, spirit):

I need no other argument, I need no other plea, it is enough that Jesus died, and that He died for me, and.......

He arose, He arose, Hallelujah, Christ arose!

 

[Frenchy]

I asked my husband about this OP and he thinks the original poster has a point. if Jesus said he would be in the tomb three days and three nights and he wasn't, then that would make him a liar. we both have Catholic backgrounds and feel this is another area Catholics have screwed things up.

 

[PASTOR MHG]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
Wednesday, 14 Nisan, 31AD.

I agree with Doc Cassidy here.

The best way to find the actual day is not to count backwards from Sunday, but rather count forward from the Triumpal entry to the Upper Room. Search the Scriptures and you will see that every day is accounted for from Palm Sunday to Tuesday evening meal with disciples to a Wednesday cross.

Max

 

[Frenchy]

Not sure i understand?