Beware of Blacks with Skittles?

[Gina B]

Given the information released thus far, I'm very surprised that the supposed "watchman" wasn't immediately arrested.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/justice/florida-teen-shot/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1

 

[billwald]

The Klan rules Florida?

 

[Gina B]

It sure doesn't sound right. Dunno the accuracy of the info since it hasn't been printed (and who knows what's true even after printed) but it has been said that the watchman who shot the boy has a criminal record himself, including physically fighting with police officers.

Gotta wait for all the info to come out, but at this point in time it sure isn't sounding good. Even out here, where we have the "make my day" law and you are not guilty if you shoot an intruder, you've gotta have VERY good cause.

According to info so far, this guy wasn't in his home, he was in a car following a kid on foot, wasn't protecting his home or property and took it on himself to follow and then accost the kid himself, AFTER calling police and knowing full well that they were on their way.

Yep, sounds very fishy to me.

 

[Crabtownboy]

What a complete tragedy!

 

[Oldtimer]

This is another example of wait to hear the rest of the story. Then react, according to the facts (or lack of them) that comes to the surface.

It is sad that a young man is dead. A young man that may not have done anything wrong. But, we don't know that yet.

I remember when the 3 Duke LaCross (sp) players were accused. Some around here were ready to put them under the jail or worse. Same with the security guard (?) at the Atlanta Olympics (if memory serves) who was accused of planting the bomb he found. After their lives were destroyed, all were cleared.

I don't know if this security guard was right or wrong in his actions. I do know it's wrong to play the KKK card without a shred of evidence. It's just an excuse to stir up emotions. To further divide, just as Woodrow Wilson wanted close to 100 years ago.

 

[Matt Black]

Sounds like a case of 'shot whilst being black with a hood over your head because it was raining'

 

[Oldtimer]

The Klan rules Florida?

From link in OP. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/justice/florida-teen-shot/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1

According to CNN affiliate WFTV, Zimmerman, who is white, described Martin to a dispatcher as a suspicious black man.

Turns out the guard wasn't white.

The news story also resulted in allegations that Zimmerman was motivated by racism.[3][10] Critics disparaged what they perceived to be Zimmerman racially profiling Martin.[3][4][8][1] Witnesses had previously noted that Zimmerman went door to door warning residents to be on the lookout for "young black men who appear to be outsiders".[26] A rally held at a community church was attended by nearly 400 people, including leaders of the NAACP, Urban League, and the Sanford City Commission, demanding Zimmerman's arrest.[3] Charles M. Blow, of The New York Times commented that the case touched upon longstanding concerns about racial profiling, inequitable treatment under the law, and overall racial strife.[8] In an open letter, Zimmerman's father, Richard Zimmerman, defended his son against allegations that his actions were racially motivated, stating that Zimmerman was Hispanic, was raised in a multi-racial family, and "would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever," claiming that the portrayal of his son as a racist "could not be further from the truth."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Why do some want to play the racist card, at every opportunity, and if they suspect a "white" person is involved? It's much easier to do a knee jerk negative reaction, before the facts are known, to get the desired results.

Right now, the news is on and the discussion is the "national outrage".

I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. Increasingly, it seems, it really doesn't matter. Far too many are standing on the body of this young man to make their points known, while they can. Regardless of what the TRUTH may actually be.

As I sit here and type, I'm hearing echo's from the past.

John 19:6 KJV
When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

 

[Matt Black]

...despite the fact that Zimmerman clearly says on the 911 call "F---king coons, they always get away", he's not racist? Riiiiight....

 

[preacher4truth]

From link in OP. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/justice/florida-teen-shot/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1


Turns out the guard wasn't white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Why do some want to play the racist card, at every opportunity, and if they suspect a "white" person is involved? It's much easier to do a knee jerk negative reaction, before the facts are known, to get the desired results.

Right now, the news is on and the discussion is the "national outrage".

I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. Increasingly, it seems, it really doesn't matter. Far too many are standing on the body of this young man to make their points known, while they can. Regardless of what the TRUTH may actually be.

As I sit here and type, I'm hearing echo's from the past.

John 19:6 KJV
When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

I read an article (I think it was yesterday) about two blacks who killed a white. Can't find it today.

Why no uproar over this?

 

[David Lamb]

I know I have asked this before, but whatever difference should the colour of either the gunman's or the youth's skin make? If the CNN report is correct (and I have no way of judging that), I just cannot see why the gunman should be considered either more guilty or less guilty if he had black skin and the youth had white, or if both had black skin, or both white.

 

[annsni]

I know I have asked this before, but whatever difference should the colour of either the gunman's or the youth's skin make? If the CNN report is correct (and I have no way of judging that), I just cannot see why the gunman should be considered either more guilty or less guilty if he had black skin and the youth had white, or if both had black skin, or both white.

The issue is that if it were a white kid, the man most likely would have not followed the young man. From what I've heard, the man who killed him should be tried for murder.

 

[preachinjesus]

It's a terrible thing to have happened. Now that the larger media and too many political figures are involved we'll likely never know the truth of the situation. The police have said there are some other issues going on, but have been silent other than that statement.

The Florida law is a bad law. It leads to more death and killing.

There is no, absolutely no reason a neighborhood watch member should be armed with a gun. That is a big, big problem. He's not a police officer, he doesn't have the training necessary for handling difficult situations.

Regardless of what happens, however, we still have to wrestle with the reality that a young man is dead...and for no good reason.

 

[Romans7man]

There are no winners here. This young man has been killed, a mother and father will mourn the loss of their child for the rest of their lives. A wife will in all likelyhood lose her husband to prison and the children will lose their dad.
As for all the media, don't believe everything they say. They are in business and will say things to get folks to watch "their" media outlet. For them it is all about ratings, not truth. I lived in Lumberton, MS in 1999 and 2000. Over in the next county a young black man was found hanging from a tree by a belt. Now what is the first thing that comes to mind? Mississippi, black man, hanging. Must have been a white guy that that lynched him, right? Many said that is what happened and were bound and determined to make someone pay! Even ole Jessie Jackson came down to throw in his two cents worth. Long story short, it was a break up and he could not live with it. Did Rev. Jackson come back and say he was sorry for getting the black and white thing stirred up? not on your life. The media seemed to forget Mississippi even existed, because it was not a white man killing a black man, but a suicide.
If I have learned anything in my 45 years, Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see. The media can make a innocent man look guilty as sin and a guilty man look like a saint.
Lets wait for the "FACTS" to come to light and then come to conclusion. And we do still live in a country where a man is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Gina B]

Here's a link with a petition to sign for Trayvon: http://www.change.org

Okay, for those defending Zimmerman, first off he's half white, half-hispanic. And? Why are people using that to say he isn't racist? Some having Hispanic blood in you somehow make you immune to stupidity?

Doesn't change what you can clearly hear on the 911 calls if you listened to them.

1. That Zimmerman followed this boy AFTER 911 operators advised him not too. When someone follows you at night, do you stop for a friendly hello or do you get out of dodge?! I'd be getting far and away as fast as I could.

2. That Zimmerman continued being the aggressor and said "they always get away" and "f**king coons."

3. That Zimmerman shot this kid and now he's dead.

4. That this kid is screaming for HELP. How many criminals scream for help? His mother confirms this is her son screaming for help and asking "why?" on the tape. A mother knows her son's voice. When you listen to that particular call, the screams abruptly stop. It is horrible to hear.

5. The girlfriend is on the phone with him and he tells her what is happening. Her testimony backs up that Trayvon was being followed, not that he was being the aggressor.

There's this flood of evidence that tells the majority of the story. There's now enough evidence to make anyone with common sense say something stinks to high heaven about Zimmerman being free right now.

The only other person who could add anything right now would be Zimmerman and personally? Whatever he has to say right now wouldn't mean much after hearing him make that despicable racial slur, after hearing him continue to follow the kids against advice and while KNOWING police were on their way, after hearing a kid scream for his life and hearing Zimmerman's gun go off and KILL him, yet let's trust Zimmerman?

No, let's not. I trust the kid with the Skittles. Unfortunately, he can't speak anymore. I sure wish more people would stand up and help speak for him than I'm seeing. There's a lot, but there certainly should be more. Anyone with an ounce of decency and common sense should be speaking for him.

Again, here's the link: http://www.change.org

 

[Aaron]

I know I have asked this before, but whatever difference should the colour of either the gunman's or the youth's skin make? If the CNN report is correct (and I have no way of judging that), I just cannot see why the gunman should be considered either more guilty or less guilty if he had black skin and the youth had white, or if both had black skin, or both white.

I'm told political correctness isn't an issue across the pond.

 

[carpro]

I know I have asked this before, but whatever difference should the colour of either the gunman's or the youth's skin make? If the CNN report is correct (and I have no way of judging that), I just cannot see why the gunman should be considered either more guilty or less guilty if he had black skin and the youth had white, or if both had black skin, or both white.

Ask our racist president. He almost completely loses his cool on the subject.

This is not the first time he has over-reacted, racially dividing the country even more.

Division seems to be his specialty. He probably can't add at all.

 

[Matt Black]

Here's a link with a petition to sign for Trayvon: http://www.change.org

Okay, for those defending Zimmerman, first off he's half white, half-hispanic. And? Why are people using that to say he isn't racist? Some having Hispanic blood in you somehow make you immune to stupidity?

Doesn't change what you can clearly hear on the 911 calls if you listened to them.

1. That Zimmerman followed this boy AFTER 911 operators advised him not too. When someone follows you at night, do you stop for a friendly hello or do you get out of dodge?! I'd be getting far and away as fast as I could.

2. That Zimmerman continued being the aggressor and said "they always get away" and "f**king coons."

3. That Zimmerman shot this kid and now he's dead.

4. That this kid is screaming for HELP. How many criminals scream for help? His mother confirms this is her son screaming for help and asking "why?" on the tape. A mother knows her son's voice. When you listen to that particular call, the screams abruptly stop. It is horrible to hear.

5. The girlfriend is on the phone with him and he tells her what is happening. Her testimony backs up that Trayvon was being followed, not that he was being the aggressor.

There's this flood of evidence that tells the majority of the story. There's now enough evidence to make anyone with common sense say something stinks to high heaven about Zimmerman being free right now.

The only other person who could add anything right now would be Zimmerman and personally? Whatever he has to say right now wouldn't mean much after hearing him make that despicable racial slur, after hearing him continue to follow the kids against advice and while KNOWING police were on their way, after hearing a kid scream for his life and hearing Zimmerman's gun go off and KILL him, yet let's trust Zimmerman?

No, let's not. I trust the kid with the Skittles. Unfortunately, he can't speak anymore. I sure wish more people would stand up and help speak for him than I'm seeing. There's a lot, but there certainly should be more. Anyone with an ounce of decency and common sense should be speaking for him.

Again, here's the link: http://www.change.org

Thanks, Gina. Wholeheartedly agree. As a non-US citizen, am I allowed to sign the petition?

 

[David Lamb]

I'm told political correctness isn't an issue across the pond.

What is your point, Aaron? Are you saying that Political Correctness was the reason for mentioning the colour of skin of the shooter and the shot? Or that you understood me to have a "politically correct" agenda, and were puzzled because you thought that political correctness isn't an issue here? Surely you did not mean that the shooting itself was either "politically correct" or "politically incorrect"?

"Political Correctness" certainly is an issue on this side of the Atlantic. I don't know where you got the idea it wasn't. :laugh:

 

[targus]

It seems that there is a witness who says that the shooting victim was seen on top of and beating on the shooter at one point.

The shooter is claiming self defense.

Who knows?

 

[Matt Black]

Got a link to that?