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Bi-racial marriage
- Thread starter C.S. Murphy
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Hi Bro. Blackbird.
I have a couple of questions for you in trying to understand this issue and your perspective on it.
Can you point me to any scripture that states that races should not inter-marry? (This is a sincere question and no harshness is meant by it.)
Also, if the parents (of your example) objections are based on their personal bias against people of color, and they can't point to anything in scripture as to why they should object to their daughter marrying a black Christian man, then why should the young couple bow to the parents wishes? I understand the whole concept of honor thy father and mother, but they can be wrong (which they clearly are if their only objection to the young man is the color of his skin).
I look forward to reading your response.
Wow!
How about a TRI-racially mixed family (as long as you folks are insisting that color makes a "race"...)
I have a Taiwanese daughter, two Hispanic children (boy and girl) and three Caucasian children. We should REALLY be ostracized, eh?
None of the children were mixed in and of themselves.
My Taiwanese daughter was called "chink" by a neighbor, but that was about all. My Mexican daughter has been called a "bean" but she thinks that's funny.
We were in a restaurant once and a black waiter was angry that we did not also have a black child. We were racist. I told him we had never been offered one...
Can't win for losing!
First time we went to church in this area, some people thought we were a youth group!
For Pete's sakes, people, (and a few other sakes, too) where are you going to draw the line between races? Think about it. They are not definite. As a human race we go from white as a sheet to so dark as to be confused with a shadow! With every variation in between. Put a fur hood on my Taiwanese daughter and she looks like an Eskimo! My Hispanic son and daughter (full brother and sister) have the strikingly gorgeous complexion and features of the Castillian Spanish. Well, that may have been their heritage several hundred years ago, but no one would appreciate that now! They are Mexican.
I'm English, German, and Welsh, with those eyebrows and eyelashes that you have to pencil in/color in order to see them at all. When my Taiwanese daughter was two (she is married now, to a Caucasian who is -- gasp -- a paraplegic! You want a mixed marriage? Go for THAT one!
), I would put her in the shower with me so I could keep an eye on her! I would look at her gorgeous skin and then at my white pasty skin and wonder if I had been dead for two weeks and didn't know it yet!
Give me her coloring any day!
Now, about mixed marriages. I am in a mixed marriage. My husband is a guy and I'm a girl. That's DEFINITELY mixed! Often mixed up. He is Australian and I am American. He says he speaks English, but sometimes I have my doubts...
He even likes Vegemite! Racial characteristic, I'm sure!
I'm awake and alert early in the morning; he's a nighttime person. Totally a mixed marriage.
We just both happen to be Caucasian, but I'm sure that's an accident of nature.
How about a TRI-racially mixed family (as long as you folks are insisting that color makes a "race"...)
I have a Taiwanese daughter, two Hispanic children (boy and girl) and three Caucasian children. We should REALLY be ostracized, eh?
None of the children were mixed in and of themselves.
My Taiwanese daughter was called "chink" by a neighbor, but that was about all. My Mexican daughter has been called a "bean" but she thinks that's funny.
We were in a restaurant once and a black waiter was angry that we did not also have a black child. We were racist. I told him we had never been offered one...
Can't win for losing!
First time we went to church in this area, some people thought we were a youth group!
For Pete's sakes, people, (and a few other sakes, too) where are you going to draw the line between races? Think about it. They are not definite. As a human race we go from white as a sheet to so dark as to be confused with a shadow! With every variation in between. Put a fur hood on my Taiwanese daughter and she looks like an Eskimo! My Hispanic son and daughter (full brother and sister) have the strikingly gorgeous complexion and features of the Castillian Spanish. Well, that may have been their heritage several hundred years ago, but no one would appreciate that now! They are Mexican.
I'm English, German, and Welsh, with those eyebrows and eyelashes that you have to pencil in/color in order to see them at all. When my Taiwanese daughter was two (she is married now, to a Caucasian who is -- gasp -- a paraplegic! You want a mixed marriage? Go for THAT one!
), I would put her in the shower with me so I could keep an eye on her! I would look at her gorgeous skin and then at my white pasty skin and wonder if I had been dead for two weeks and didn't know it yet!Give me her coloring any day!
Now, about mixed marriages. I am in a mixed marriage. My husband is a guy and I'm a girl. That's DEFINITELY mixed! Often mixed up. He is Australian and I am American. He says he speaks English, but sometimes I have my doubts...
He even likes Vegemite! Racial characteristic, I'm sure!
I'm awake and alert early in the morning; he's a nighttime person. Totally a mixed marriage.
We just both happen to be Caucasian, but I'm sure that's an accident of nature.
blackbird said:
By and large I believe that God created the races for a reason.
Your argument fails from the get-go, because God did not create the races. He created two individual people, Adam and Eve, and the potentiality for men of all shades came from their genes. The same goes for Noah and his wife, of whom all men are common descendants.
We are truly, as the Scripture says, "made from one blood" (Acts 17:26).
By and large I believe that God created the races for a reason.
Your argument fails from the get-go, because God did not create the races. He created two individual people, Adam and Eve, and the potentiality for men of all shades came from their genes. The same goes for Noah and his wife, of whom all men are common descendants.
We are truly, as the Scripture says, "made from one blood" (Acts 17:26).
Brother PreachtheWord,
Scripture teaches that the child is under the head of the parents. They are to obey and honor the parents before any other person.
Show me in scripture where only one race exists. Folks justify that in order to meet a selfish need.
And please refrain from making out like I don't know what I'm talking about--just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can be inconsiderate of one preacher's convictions.
Your friend,
Blackbird
Scripture teaches that the child is under the head of the parents. They are to obey and honor the parents before any other person.
Show me in scripture where only one race exists. Folks justify that in order to meet a selfish need.
And please refrain from making out like I don't know what I'm talking about--just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can be inconsiderate of one preacher's convictions.
Your friend,
Blackbird
Dear Romans 1: 16,
Yes the parents can be wrong in their judgement--but albeit the child is called upon to obey--even that wrong decision.
An example here--It was President Johnson who called US Troops into conflicting war in Vietnam. Clearly a wrong decision. But whether it is wrong or not--the citizen soldier had a responsiblity to obey his President and go. If the President is wrong--one day he will answer to almighty God--but the trooper can't rebel even in those wrong decisions.
If the parent is wrong--they will answer to Almighty God but the child must still obey and honor the parents decision (even if wrong) or they will be in clear violation of bringing honor to their parents and obeying them and then they(the child) will have to answer to God for that disobedience. God says in His word that He will cut off the child who disobeys and brings dishonor to his/her parents.
Your friend,
Blackbird
Yes the parents can be wrong in their judgement--but albeit the child is called upon to obey--even that wrong decision.
An example here--It was President Johnson who called US Troops into conflicting war in Vietnam. Clearly a wrong decision. But whether it is wrong or not--the citizen soldier had a responsiblity to obey his President and go. If the President is wrong--one day he will answer to almighty God--but the trooper can't rebel even in those wrong decisions.
If the parent is wrong--they will answer to Almighty God but the child must still obey and honor the parents decision (even if wrong) or they will be in clear violation of bringing honor to their parents and obeying them and then they(the child) will have to answer to God for that disobedience. God says in His word that He will cut off the child who disobeys and brings dishonor to his/her parents.
Your friend,
Blackbird
Daniel David
New Member
I appreciate your statement. I really do. I am very familiar with those who teach that kind of understanding of obedience and authority.
Let me ask you something. Is the child to obey the parent (even lost parent) without question all the time? Obviously a Christian is not to do sin. I am not talking about that.
For example, college, marriage, job, sports, etc.
Now, I do not believe in situational ethics. I do interpret the authority structure a little different. Further, does the Bible give any example of the child rejecting the parent and it be an acceptable thing before God? BTW, I have one child and my wife is expecting another.
As far as the race issue goes, this passage has already been mentioned.
Acts 17:26 - And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
Are we not all from Adam? Race divisions is something you find in the wicked heart of man, not in God's Word. It is not a selfish need to marry another human being. That was quite a statement though.
Out like the other team that ate laxative-laced brownies.
Daniel David
New Member
This puts God at the mercy of parents. I totally reject such an idea. Also, we are not Jews. God does NOT deal with Christians the same as He dealt with the Jews. There is a reason He did what He did with the Jews. God is done with the Old Covenant.
This sounds similar to that “umbrella of authority” doctrine that Bill Gothard teaches…
I have two friends who were told by their parents (different families) not to become Christians or they would be cut off from their family (they are of Jewish heritage). Both of them decided to follow Christ against the wishes of their family and have paid a heavy price. Both of them now have strained relationships with the biological families but have a new family in Christ. Jesus teaches that a person must sometimes forsake their family ties to follow Him. If God is calling someone to marry a person whom their family doesn’t like, they should follow God. (Of course God may be using their family to warn them, so they should be very careful and certain that they are doing the right thing!)
By this reasoning, German Christians had no right to resist Hitler. (You can’t have a good discussion on BaptistBoard without dragging Hitler into it at one point or another!
But if God gives the call to do something else, then you need to do it.
GrannyGumbo
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A few years ago my oldest daughter gave this innocent answer when asked about what she thought about a colored person marrying a white person: "God never mated no blackbird with a bluejay."
Pastor_Bob
Well-Known Member
The absence of a Scripture does not make the activity or the action right. It is not always a question of right or wrong; it is often a question of what is best. Paul certainly deals with this in detail in I Corinthians 8.
Some of us may have the knowledge that a certain activity or action is not wrong (vs.4). If we did engage in the activity or perform the action, we would not be sinning or violating God's law. But, there are those who do not have this same knowledge that teaches them that this activity or action is not wrong (vs.7).
The jest of Paul's answer to these Corinthians is this: Right or wrong is not always the litmus test. There are many other variables to consider. Just knowing that something is "not wrong" does not make it right. Paul said in verse 1, "Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth."
There's no polite way to say this so I won't try to be polite: That is blatant racism and it sickens me to read it. This is what the Bible says about the races:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
Eric
No, there isn't any.
My theory:
I've lived in the South all my life, and when my grandparents were alive I quizzed them about race relations in the early 1900's-1950's.
Basically whites stayed on their side of the tracks and blacks stayed on their side. Even if there wasn't open "hostility" the blacks were required to "stay in their place".
Separate but "equal"..I think they used to call
it.
That rascist and sinful attitude filtered into some churches teachings and still continues in some places. It's a classic example of cultural sin seeping into church teaching IMHO.
One other thing I've observed, I've talked to a number of elderly ladies about this issue. And I've found them to be TERRIFIED of black people.
It was never clear to me what they were told or taught that caused this. Perhaps the "separation" bred alot of unfounded fear.
-kman
Daniel David
New Member
I can't tell if you are serious with this or not.Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
A few years ago my oldest daughter gave this innocent answer when asked about what she thought about a colored person marrying a white person: "God never mated no blackbird with a bluejay."
God made the blackbird.
God made the bluebird.
They were two distinct creations.
On the other hand...
God made the human race.
God created Adam and Eve and from that union, all peoples of the world would exist.
God did not create the white man and then the black man and then the asian man and then the indian man and then...
We have one head, Adam. There are not two different heads.
Out like trying to justify bad theology.
Daniel David
New Member
Eric, if you read my own posts, you will see I am not rascist. However, this passage has nothing to do with what you said. If you take this passage to mean what you said, then you also have to say that there is no distinction between male and female.
The point of the passage is to show that in regards to justification and union with Christ, there is not distinction, for all are one.
Like the chances of the U.N. acting on anything relevant, I am out.
Posting this just for the record why Bob Jones University had their policy about interracial marriage (before they changed their position due to political correctness, public pressure, and possible litigation).
http://www.multiracial.com/letters/bobjonesuniversity.html
The site I cut this from has a multiracial political agenda, BTW.
http://www.multiracial.com/letters/bobjonesuniversity.html
Oh brother, Gen. 11:4-6 (the Tower of Babel) to justify a ban on inter-racial dating/marriage... that's really grasping at straws. If you read 11:1-9 you will see that the Lord does not forbid inter-marriage in any of those verses. This is a classic case of people wanting the Bible to say something, and then kludging together some verses out of context; purposely distorting their meaning to lend authority to specious claims.
Eric
[ September 18, 2002, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: eric_b ]
GrannyGumbo
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I'm sorry folks, if by repeating what my little girl said years ago(out of innocence) has offended anyone...Please accept my apology. It's just one of those things a mama remembers~