Bible Modesty - Part 1

Yes. The same one who defines what modest dress is for a woman, though the words "modest apparel" were only applied to the dress of women.

 

It is all relevant to modest dress.

Yes. Without getting personal, what would you say to this Christian mother who would take her child to Hooters twice a month?

"Laura wrote on July 05, 2006 10:32 AM:"I am taking my family to Hooters, My 3 children aged 8, 5 and 2. I love the food and the kids like the balloons, crayons and music. Have you been to a Hooters? Yes, it attracts men, and groups of them, but tell me ONE thing thats innappropriate there? THe UGLY shorts and tank tops? Spare me.. I am a CHRISTIAN mom, who will be taking my kids to HOOTERS 2 times a month hopefully for the BEST HOT WINGS AND BUFFALO SHRIMP ON THE PLANET. "​

What is your source for this definition?

I didn't ignore it. I commented on it and this is now the fourth time I have read about it.

I do not desire to take on the customs of Africa. I don't need their tattoos, piercings, music nor their bare breasts. Nor is what their culture believes about breasts at all relevant to how a Christian worldview should be formed relative to this topic. The Bible considers the woman's breasts to be sexually provocative, this is all that should matter to a Christian.

"Open rebuke is better than secret love." - Proverbs 27:5​

The Hooters thing is a vain attempt to get you folks to come up with a consistent argument. You believe there is a modest line that needs not be crossed but you have not established what that line is accept for your feelings about what is immodest.

 

Why do you believe this?! What is your foundation that tells you that what they are wearing is immodest? Upwards cheerleaders wear t-shirts and shorts, the Hooters waitresses wear t-shirts and shorts. What makes one modest and the other immodest? What makes one Christian and the other not?

Your argument suggests that we should stop discussing war because that will cause brothers with violent tendencies to kill, we should stop discussing materialism as it might cause some to covet, we should stop discussing television as it might encourage idolatry etc.

 

I have been to Hooters and worse in my lifetime. Ya'll think your going to make scripture disappear because a messenger may have been lost to sin in their lifetime? That's why you must be born-again is it not?

 

I know for the same reason that I know what the girls in Laodicean churches wear.

 

And the word lust was only applied to men.

 

Really, what do they wear?

 

Rufus, if this has been a source of struggle for you in your past life prior to salvation, you would be better off to drop this subject. Dwelling on this topic is bad for you spiritually. Often, people who have struggled with a particular sin or lifestyle need to distance themselves from it after salvation and allow their mind to be renewed in holiness by the spirit. Paul instructs us to think on things that are good, lovely, and full of virtue and praise. As you do this, your thinking will be renewed and you may discover that things that had a powerful hold on you prior to salvation are not as tempting as they once were. When God does this work of grace in your heart and mind, then you will be ready to minister to others who are struggling with this temptation.

 

Oh boy. Well, I don't know what other women do, but I WORK at home and get dirty and messy doing it. I have helped build 2 houses with my husband and I personally hung all the insulation in both. I didn't look very feminine doing it, but it saved thousands of $. Maybe if I had worn a skirt I would have looked better even with the insulation stuck in my hair.
You are trying to make a valid argument and are not able to. And my husband does approve of my dress not that it's any of your business. I feel more comfortable wearing pants in public than a dress BECAUSE they cover more and I don't have to worry about how much leg is showing. I have to stop now because I'm getting angry.

 

Using the same logic - "Women's pants are made for women, therefore it is okay for a woman to wear them. It is not the attire of a man."

Do some of you not see how, at some point in the future, we will see men's dresses. What will be your argument against men wearing men's dresses? Just because something has become accepted does not mean it should be accepted. I believe, in my lifetime, I will see men walking around in men's dresses, and we will see debates on christian forums about it. What side will you be on?

Honestly, I don't have a problem with women wearing women's pants. But, when I think about men wearing men's dresses, it makes me wonder, should there be a line? Obviously everybody draws the line somewhere. We, as christians, are all legalists to someone.

 

The same clothes.

 

This is not a struggle for me. However, if I had problems with certain Biblical words and the "H" word, I think your counsel would be quite wise.

 

You know the old saying "If you see 10 problems coming down the road nine will fall in the ditch before they get to you. I just can't see myself sitting around worrying about this. I grew up in fundamentalism and I remember when we were all obsessed about the communists taking over America and killing all the Christians. That didn't happen and I'm sorry I wasted time worrying about it.

 

Would any of us men wear what Jesus wore?
I wouldn't go out in a long robe... would you?

I doubt it.
I can see me now walking down the aisles in Walmart in a Biblical robe.
Even the Amish don't go that far...

And if we are to emulate the modesty of Christ, shouldn't we dress like Him?

I can't wait to get mine in Heaven, but Heaven can wait.

 

What you do or wear between you and your husband is between you and your husband. However, keep in mind that for a great portion of our history when women were required to provide physical labor, they did not change into men's clothes to do it.

Then why share it? I would rather we not make these issues personal. This should be a doctrinal discussion. What Biblical argument do you have for women wearing that which pertaineth to men? What Biblical argument do you have for women showing their thighs? Where is your line for what is modest and immodest and how do you support your positions using the Bible?

I'm sorry you are angry but your feelings and your comfort are not germain to scripture and what is right or wrong. There are a lot of things that God tells us that do not seem comfortable or do not feel good. However, if we love Him we do it anyway.

 

Is there a church still in Laodicea?
I bet the women there wore robes.. as did the men.

Why are you bringing up a church that is almost 2000 yrs old?
Surely you don't believe that the churches in Rev. = the church age, do you?

You have no proof for that... it was invented by an overactive imagination.

What did, (or do... if they still exist) the women in Laodicea wear?

Probably a garment that would look like a long dress today.

 

Rufus said

Are you saying that you never struggle with sexual temptation at all? Wow! If you were engaged in these things in the past and now you do not struggle with them, that is great! Perhaps you would be more effective if you shared your struggle and encouraged others in their struggle. Perhaps you could share some of the biblical passages that God used to give you victory in your life. This would be preferable to your use of words and language that can stir up other's passions and cause them to fall.

 

Brother, I did not say I was losing any sleep over it, did I? I never even gave it a thought before I read through this thread. After reading through this thread, I definately see it as inevitable.

What will be your argument against men in men's dresses? Once it becomes acceptable, what will be the biblical argument against it?

My wife wears pants from time to time, but I will never wear a dress. I grew up in a time when men did not wear dresses. My Son will probably never wear a dress. But, what about my Grandson? It may be perfectly normal for a man to wear a dress when my Grandson is born. I am not expecting him for about 10 years.

 

The Bible says that men should not wear that which pertains to women and women should not wear that which pertains to men. It is commonly understood that dresses are for women and only women should wear dresses. What was formerly understood and only contemporarily changed is that pants were for men and only men should wear them. The world's fashion changed this principle and the roles of women changed along with them and the strength of family was weakened because of it.

As to the long flowing garments, only men girded up their loins. Only men wore breeches. Only men wore hosen. These were never garments that applied to women in the Bible.