Reply to Jarthur 001
I have no interest in discussing the speculation of men concerning did God determine His plan, scripture says He determined it and logic says before His determination, He did not know what He had not yet determined. To argue about this is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pen.
My pet verse is not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, nor Matthew 23:13, nor Matthew 13:1-23, nor James 2:5, nor 1 Corinthians 1:26-28, nor 1 Peter 1:3-5, and note even 1 Peter 2:9-10. These come up to support my view of our individual election for salvation occurs during our lifetime vice before the foundation of the world.
My pet verse, provided in my profile is John 1:29b.
As to your questions, what is the meaning of :
Through sanctification by the Spirit - this refers to the action of the Holy Spirit to set us apart spiritually by spiritually baptizing us into Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:30 tells us that it is God who puts us "in Christ" we do not put ourselves in. So this refers to "positional sanctification" where God transfers us from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of God. Thus we are chosen "into" salvation with no delay. There can be no delay because of Romans 8:33 which says there can be no charge brought against God's elect. With your view, before someone is saved by the effectual call, they are living and are sinners, but they are elect. So a charge could be brought against them.
Thus Calvinism is demonstrated false by Romans 8:33. My View, God chooses us during our physical lives based on crediting our faith as righteousness, Romans 4:5, and then spiritually puts us in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit. Thus God chose you (Thessalonians) from the beginning or as first fruits for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
Who does the sanctifying? God in the person of the Holy Spirit sets us apart by placing us spiritually in Christ.
What does election through sanctification mean? It means God chooses individuals by crediting their faith as righteousness and setting them apart in Christ.
I have no interest in discussing the speculation of men concerning did God determine His plan, scripture says He determined it and logic says before His determination, He did not know what He had not yet determined. To argue about this is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pen.
My pet verse is not 2 Thessalonians 2:13, nor Matthew 23:13, nor Matthew 13:1-23, nor James 2:5, nor 1 Corinthians 1:26-28, nor 1 Peter 1:3-5, and note even 1 Peter 2:9-10. These come up to support my view of our individual election for salvation occurs during our lifetime vice before the foundation of the world.
My pet verse, provided in my profile is John 1:29b.
As to your questions, what is the meaning of :
Through sanctification by the Spirit - this refers to the action of the Holy Spirit to set us apart spiritually by spiritually baptizing us into Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:30 tells us that it is God who puts us "in Christ" we do not put ourselves in. So this refers to "positional sanctification" where God transfers us from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of God. Thus we are chosen "into" salvation with no delay. There can be no delay because of Romans 8:33 which says there can be no charge brought against God's elect. With your view, before someone is saved by the effectual call, they are living and are sinners, but they are elect. So a charge could be brought against them.
Thus Calvinism is demonstrated false by Romans 8:33. My View, God chooses us during our physical lives based on crediting our faith as righteousness, Romans 4:5, and then spiritually puts us in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit. Thus God chose you (Thessalonians) from the beginning or as first fruits for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
Who does the sanctifying? God in the person of the Holy Spirit sets us apart by placing us spiritually in Christ.
What does election through sanctification mean? It means God chooses individuals by crediting their faith as righteousness and setting them apart in Christ.