Bible Version Questions

[franklinmonroe]

I don't use it to justifty KJVO, but if I'm not mistaken it does say that God will preserve his word. Does it not?

" ... Thou shalt keep them, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." I mean. It does say that doesn't it?

You wrote "word" (singular) but the Psalm has "them" (plural) twice. Possibly you erred, and intended to communicate plural ('words'). And O yes, God has preserved all His words! The spoken ones and the unspoken (dreams, visions, etc.), too. But they're not all written in a book for humans to read on Earth, are they? I can't wait to hear what God and Adam talked about in the Garden before the Fall.

There is really no reason at all to think that this verse is referring to preserving written words. In fact, looking at the content of this Psalm you will find ONLY referrences to speech (the word "speak" twice, "speaketh", "lips" three times, and "tongue" twice). Absolutely no references to ink, scrolls, or similar terms related to inscription.

The Hebrew term 'imrah (Strong's #565) your assumed antecedent to "them" is found twice in the preceding verse (12:6). It's lexicon definitions are: utterance, speech, or word; it is translated in the KJV as "speech" 7 times. It seems the more frequent Hebrew term associated with written "words" is dabar (Strong's #1697) [see Exodus 34:1 & 27; Deut. 10:2, 27:3; Jeremiah 30:2, 36:2 etc.]

 

[Askjo]

Askjo simply lied. I'm sure he believes it to be truth, but each point has been proven time and time again to be a proven lie. When someone will not accept the truth and passes on false teaching, it is at BEST a "lie"; at WORST it is an attack on the Word of God and an attack on new believers. Feel free to look at other threads on the Translation forum. You'll see quickly.

If I could stop the only sect from lying, I'd think it a great legacy. But at least, when you read his post, understand that he is not telling the truth. It is fanciful thinking without an iote (iota) of validity. Very sad.

Dr. Bob, did I lie? I see you are a naturalistic defender of modern versions. Are you blind? Do you ignore the history? King Jehoiahkim cut off the Scriptures in the OT. Gnostics and heretics attacked the Word of God by cutting off the Scriptures in 2nd – 4rd Century. So is today. Modern versions cut off the names of Jesus Christ in NT 200 times. Jesus’ name was cut off in the prayer in State government. The Bible was cut off in public schools. The 10 Commandments were cut off in other State government. If so, are you a follower of King Jehoiahkim?

 

[ajg1959]

Whatever Roger says must be right, and those of you that disagree with Roger are wrong.

I know that this is not the "official rule of the board", but it remains one that we must follow in order to honor Roger.

AJ

 

[Askjo]

That is, these Alexandrian copies were so valuable that they were protected and cared for as their cherished possessions.

If so, why were they not used by Church fathers for many years?

 

[Rippon]

Whatever Roger says must be right, and those of you that disagree with Roger are wrong.

I know that this is not the "official rule of the board", but it remains one that we must follow in order to honor Roger.

AJ

You're getting Roger =C4K mixed-up with Dr.Bob.They are two separate individuals.

 

[Askjo]

This simply is not true - The KJV is not a purely TR translation and the NKJV uses the same textual body.

The NKJV is NOT a translation from the Alexandrian texts.

:sleeping_2:

 

[Rippon]

Old Argument Again!

Old argument = Old Truth ( in this case at least)

 

[Askjo]

Old argument = Old Truth ( in this case at least)

half truth. :sleeping_2:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Whatever Roger says must be right, and those of you that disagree with Roger are wrong.

I know that this is not the "official rule of the board", but it remains one that we must follow in order to honor Roger.

AJ

I feel honoured having my own personal stalker who follows me from thread to thread, saying the exact same thing! In nearly five years of posting here I have never had a stalker before

Check out the facts - the NKJV is from the same text body as the KJV - it is simply a fact. For those who disagree - show us an instance where the NKJV followed the Alexandrian texts.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Askjo simply lied. I'm sure he believes it to be truth,

He he believes it to be true, did he really lie, or is he simply wrong for believing a lie perpetuated by others?

I suspect that the latter is true.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

:sleeping_2:

Instead of rolling your eyes, you might try to prove me wrong.

Show me where the NKJV translators chose an Alexandrian reading. Not an alternate translation of the traditional body, but an Alexandrian reading.

Just in case I will start making a crust for my humble pie.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Instead of rolling your eyes, you might try to prove me wrong.

Show me where the NKJV translators chose an Alexandrian reading. Not an alternate translation of the traditional body, but an Alexandrian reading.

Just in case I will start making a crust for my humble pie.

That's gonna be a waste of good pie crust! :laugh:

 

[thomas15]

... For the New King James Version the text used was the 1967/1977 stutgart edition of the Biblia Hebraica based on the Asher text, while frequent comparisons were made with the Bomberg edition of 1524-25. The Septuagint (Greek) Version of the Old Testament and the Latin Valgate also were consulted. ... The New King James Version draws on the resources of relevant manuscripts from the Dead Sea caves."

2serve,

We are talking about the New Testament, you are talking about the Old Testament.

TR=Greek New Testament

Biblia Hebraica, Septuagint et.el = Old Testament

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Tom

 

[EdSutton]

He he believes it to be true, did he really lie, or is he simply wrong for believing a lie perpetuated by others?

I suspect that the latter is true.

Personally, I suspect you rightly suspect that one of 'the usual suspects' is believing "the usual suspects."

Ed

 

[rbell]

Um, the warnings are about the word of God being tampered with. Your ideal states that the KJB is not the word of God.

I said nothing of the kind; in fact, I have many times affirmed that the KJV is the word of God.

I choose to be optimistic and assume that this was a comprehension issue.

Either way...you couldn't be more incorrect with yoru assupmtion.

 

[Dr. Bob]

He believes it to be true, did he really lie, or is he simply wrong for believing a lie perpetuated by others?

I suspect that the latter is true.

But when someone is told and proven that they are in error (saying the NKJV is NOT from the same Greek as the AV1611) and they will not believe the truth but perpetuate error over and over and over . . it is de facto lying.

And attacking a good translation of the Word of God. You put up with stalking, but I will not tolerate willful lying.

 

[franklinmonroe]

If so, why were they not used by Church fathers for many years?

Askjo, perhaps this is a question that should be addressed. However, I do not feel obligated to answer this question at the present time since my original statement was merely an example of how the theory Nicholas25 submitted can work both ways. Alternatively, the same theory could be applied this way: The reason so many Byzantine-type manuscripts have been recovered in total is "... because no one wanted to use them because they were wrong/corrupt" (quote from the OP). This is just for illustration purposes, so I'm not saying that I actually believe it to be true. I hope you understand the context of my original statement now.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Better Posting about Bible Versions

Hint #38: avoid "Weasel words"

Weasel words are words or phrases that seemingly support statements without attributing opinions to verifiable sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words

Quote from some WMD (weapons of Mass Destricution) experts:

" Trust but Verify "
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Verifying sources, especially Bible sorces is required by each of us from the Bible:

Acts 17:10-11 (NIV1984 Edition):
As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.
11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

 

[Askjo]

Check out the facts - the NKJV is from the same text body as the KJV - it is simply a fact.

Not true! Non-TR -- Nearly 800 times!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Not true! Non-TR -- Nearly 800 times!

You keep throwing out these numbers as truth - show me 5 cases where they chose the critical texts.