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Biblical errancy?
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Which translation uses the plural from the MT? Not the WEB.
In a review of all the English translations provided by Bible Gateway, only 7 versions had the plural. The KJV, the NKJV, the AKJV, the KJ21, the BRG (based on the KJV), the MEV (based on the KJV) and the NIRV. All the rest had staff as singular.
I missed where you answered my question. What English translation reflects your MT? If you cannot answer that question, stop posting fiction.
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37818
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The WEB did not follow the MT reading in Matthew 10:10.
Still no answer. I am done.
Yes, the Modern Literal Version (MLV) and the English Majority Text Version (EMTV) both has staff in the plural at Matthew 10:10.
And both have the plural of staff at Luke 9:3. So they were not to take staffs, but were to take a staff (Mark 6:8). Hence just as before, a non-problem.
Same idea as in the CT, take one staff (Mark 6:8) but do not take an extra staff, Matthew 10:10 and Luke 9:3.
The idea we can interpret staffs to allow a staff, but not interpret staff to mean an extra staff seems arbitrary and agenda driven.
The bible remains trustworthy and reliable and useful.
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Material false statement. Mind reading claim on display.
"The idea we can interpret staffs to allow a staff, but not interpret staff to mean an extra staff seems arbitrary and agenda driven."
The TR contradiction as presented in the KJV. Mark 6:8 take a staff (S), Luke 9:3 do not take staffs, Matthew 10:10 do not take staffs.
The CT contradiction as presented in the NASB. Mark 6:8 take a staff (S), Luke 9:3 do not take a staff, Matthew 10:10 do not take a staff.
The MT contradiction as presented in the MLV. Mark 6:8 take a staff (S), Luke 9:3 do not take staffs, Matthew 10:10 do not take staffs.
Resolution of difficulty based on context, do not take extra stuff. TR and MT do not take extra staffs. CT do not take an extra staff.
"The idea we can interpret staffs to allow a staff, but not interpret staff to mean an extra staff seems arbitrary and agenda driven."
The CT contradiction as presented in the NASB. Mark 6:8 take a staff (S), Luke 9:3 do not take a staff, Matthew 10:10 do not take a staff.
The MT contradiction as presented in the MLV. Mark 6:8 take a staff (S), Luke 9:3 do not take staffs, Matthew 10:10 do not take staffs.
Resolution of difficulty based on context, do not take extra stuff. TR and MT do not take extra staffs. CT do not take an extra staff.
"The idea we can interpret staffs to allow a staff, but not interpret staff to mean an extra staff seems arbitrary and agenda driven."
Lets compare the Modern Literal Version's rendering of Revelation 13:8 with the CT and TR.
Revelation 13:8 (MLV)
And all who are dwelling upon the earth will be worshiping to him, everyone whose name has not been written in the Book of Life of the lamb, who has been slaughtered from the conception of the world.
Revelation 13:8 (NASB)
All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered.
1) Note the difference in the opening phrase, "will be worshiping him" versus "will worship him."
2) Second phrase, big difference, everyone whose name has not been written in the book of life of the lamb versus everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb. Thus the CT has the verse saying when the names were not written, anytime after creation, but the MT erroneously appends the time reference to the wrong clause.
Since we know several verses that say the Lamb was not slain immediately after creation, the MT version creates a difficulty. And the problem is not with a difference in the underlying text as the WEB mirrors the NASB in locating the time of not writing.
Revelation 13:8 (MLV)
And all who are dwelling upon the earth will be worshiping to him, everyone whose name has not been written in the Book of Life of the lamb, who has been slaughtered from the conception of the world.
Revelation 13:8 (NASB)
All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered.
1) Note the difference in the opening phrase, "will be worshiping him" versus "will worship him."
2) Second phrase, big difference, everyone whose name has not been written in the book of life of the lamb versus everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb. Thus the CT has the verse saying when the names were not written, anytime after creation, but the MT erroneously appends the time reference to the wrong clause.
Since we know several verses that say the Lamb was not slain immediately after creation, the MT version creates a difficulty. And the problem is not with a difference in the underlying text as the WEB mirrors the NASB in locating the time of not writing.
The MT in Matthew 10:10 and Luke 9:3 do not specify any staff is allowed.
LOL, now the TR says in Mark 6:8, take a staff, and in Luke 9:3 do not take staffs, and in Matthew 10:10 do not take a staff.
And that the WEB does not follow your version of the MT and the KJV does not follow your version of the TR.
What a waste...
Folks, bottom line all three texts, no matter what version of those texts (TR, CT and MT) is used, if you compare Mark 6:8 and Luke 9:3 and Matthew 10:10, you must interpret "take a staff" and "do not take either a staff or do not take staffs" in order to avoid the difficulty.
The bible is trustworthy and reliable and useful for non-believers and believers alike.
37818
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Of course I am not an originator of the MT. There is the Byzantine MT and the f35 which are not all strictly a majority text. There are readings that I accept as original, and not all are MT [being MT omissions] were I accept a reading. You seem to accept more CT readings than I would.
All the modern editions for the Greek New Testament texts are attempting to provide an identification of the original autographs. The CT currently being most commonly accepted.