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Biblical Repentance and the gospel of John

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37818

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is that right? Jesus Christ, Who is the Highest Authority, says this, " and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47). The Apostle Peter, in his first Sermon, says this, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:37-38). In the following chapter, "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (3:19). You saying that there passages are not relevant? Just because ONE Book in the NT does not mention the word "repent", you can conclude that "repentance for forgiveness" is not Biblical? This SAME Apostle says in his First Letter, " If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins (REPENT), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1:8-10). Two Books in the OT, Esther and The Song of Solomon, do not mention the word "God" once, do we conclude that God does not exist from this? Your reasoning here, like elsewhere, is MOOT!
The use of the instruction "to repent" is not reported in the gospel according to John.
John 5:24, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Without biblical repentance belief is impossible.
Biblical repentance always precedes faith, Mark 1:15.
Now in John's letter, 1 John 1:8-9, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Now this promise is not to the lost person but to the one who is already saved. Someone who has the Spirit of truth in them.
 

SavedByGrace

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The use of the instruction "to repent" is not reported in the gospel according to John.
John 5:24, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Without biblical repentance belief is impossible.
Biblical repentance always precedes faith, Mark 1:15.
Now in John's letter, 1 John 1:8-9, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Now this promise is not to the lost person but to the one who is already saved. Someone who has the Spirit of truth in them.

your "gospel" is what Paul calls in Galatians, "a different gospel, which is not another"! Based on ONE Book of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible!
 

SavedByGrace

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WHY only the Gospel of John? What about the entire Bible? I have shown from Jesus in Luke's Gospel, and Peter in Acts, which is very clear that "repentance" leads to forgiveness of sins, and salvation! But you will keep on ignoring this!
 

AustinC

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Before a person can or even will repent, that person must be made spiritually alive with Christ.
Until a person is made alive they may have remorse for their behavior, but they will not repent. In their dead state, they will consider themselves to be ruler and controller of their life. To whom would they repent?

Only when they recognize Jesus is King and rules over them will they even think of repenting.

Ephesians 2:1-22
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

The believer repents. The unbeliever rebels.
 

SavedByGrace

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Before a person can or even will repent, that person must be made spiritually alive with Christ.

this is nothing more than "Reformed theology", and NOT Bible! Read John 16:1-10 and see that "the world" of sinners is "convicted" by the Holy Spirit, some will reject as in Acts 7:51, while others will accept. Human "will" has not been destroyed completely at the fall, as some would have us believe!
 

37818

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your "gospel" is what Paul calls in Galatians, "a different gospel, which is not another"! Based on ONE Book of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible!
Then are you saying John's gospel is what Paul warned against?

1 John 5:1, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ."
 

37818

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WHY only the Gospel of John? What about the entire Bible? I have shown from Jesus in Luke's Gospel, and Peter in Acts, which is very clear that "repentance" leads to forgiveness of sins, and salvation! But you will keep on ignoring this!
John 20:31, ". . . But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
 

SavedByGrace

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Then are you saying John's gospel is what Paul warned against?

1 John 5:1, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ."

now don't be silly! Repentance for forgiveness of sins is what Jesus Christ clearly says in Luke 24:47, will you listen to Him?
 

37818

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this is nothing more than "Reformed theology", and NOT Bible! Read John 16:1-10 and see that "the world" of sinners is "convicted" by the Holy Spirit, some will reject as in Acts 7:51, while others will accept. Human "will" has not been destroyed completely at the fall, as some would have us believe!
You need to explain what you mean. John 16:1-10 is not at issue.
 

SavedByGrace

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You need to explain what you mean. John 16:1-10 is not at issue.

There is not a SINGLE verse in the entire Bible, that says the Holy Spirit must first "make alive", or "quicken", or "enable" the sinner, in order that they can then "repent! This is Reformed theological rubbish! The passage from Ephesians 2 has been misused to promote this nonsense!
 

37818

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NOT only believing!
Yes, only believing.
2 Timothy 2:25-26, "In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."
 

37818

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There is not a SINGLE verse in the entire Bible, that says the Holy Spirit must first "make alive", or "quicken", or "enable" the sinner, in order that they can then "repent! This is Reformed theological rubbish! The passage from Ephesians 2 has been misused to promote this nonsense!
You are not making sense here. 1 Peter 2:2, ". . . through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience . . . ."
 

37818

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John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
 

SavedByGrace

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John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

So you simply avoid and disregard all the verses that speak of repentance :rolleyes:
 

37818

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now don't be silly! Repentance for forgiveness of sins is what Jesus Christ clearly says in Luke 24:47, will you listen to Him?
Believing Jesus is the Christ, per Acts of the Apostles 10:43, "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
 
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