Biblical Repentance and the gospel of John

[Yeshua1]

It is evident that whether the Greek verb τεταγμένοι, used in this context, has to be in the middle, and not passive voice. In verse 46 we read that the rejection of the Gospel Message that Paul preached, was the self-act of the Jews", "but seeing that you reject it", and "consider yourselves unworthy of eternal life". Did God reject the Jews? No. Did God consider them unworthy of eternal life? No. After THEIR OWN rejection and assessment of THEMSELVES, that Paul took this same message to the Gentiles, who we read, "were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord". Here we have one group, they Jews, REJECT the Gospel; and the other group, the Gentiles, ACCCEPT the same Gospel Message. The meaning of this verb is, "to arrange, to enrol", which the Gentiles did by accepting what the Jews has by their own determination, had rejected. Which is what Robertson says:

"The Jews here had voluntarily rejected the word of God. On the other side were those Gentiles who gladly accepted what the Jews had rejected, not all the Gentiles. Why these Gentiles here ranged themselves on God‘s side as opposed to the Jews Luke does not tell us. This verse does not solve the vexed problem of divine sovereignty and human free agency. There is no evidence that Luke had in mind an absolutum decretum of personal salvation. Paul had shown that God‘s plan extended to and included Gentiles. Certainly the Spirit of God does move upon the human heart to which some respond, as here, while others push him away."

There is no "predestination" in this passage, of the Gentiles; or the "rejection" by the act of God, of the Jews. In both cases, they acted themselves. In 2 Thess. 2:10, we read similar, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved". It was only then, does Paul go on to say, "And for this cause God shall shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.(11); and then, "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (12). Can you see here the actions of those who rejected The Truth, "in order that" they might be saved. After this hardness of heart, does God Himself, "shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie". So that after their wilful rejection of the Gospel, their end is damnation, because they "believed not the Truth".

Keep going in my quote, as he affirmed that those who would receive Jesus by faith first were appointed by God to do that!

 

[Van]

Sigh, I know that God tells us He saves by grace, through faith. God does not save based upon the works of man. Yet, you demand works be the means of salvation. (Yes, you do. You may not comprehend what you advocate, but you demand works before grace.) Do you see the impasse that lies between us?

Here the Calvinist denies Romans 4 yet again. Putting our faith in Christ is not works!!!!

Rom 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

 

[Yeshua1]

Here the Calvinist denies Romans 4 yet again. Putting our faith in Christ is not works!!!!

Rom 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

faith itself is a gift from God, so of course not a work!

 

[SavedByGrace]

first were appointed by God to do that

this is NOT what the verb, in its context here means! I suggest that you personally look at the passive and middle voice in the Greek for yourself, and you will see that context in most cases determines the exact meaning of the verb. In our present case, the rejection of the one, and the acceptance of the other groups, shows that here it is the middle and not passive. Let the Bible and not theology guide your understanding!

 

[SavedByGrace]

faith itself is a gift from God, so of course not a work!

if you are here referring to Ephesians 2:8-9, then you are wrong, as it is salvation and not faith here that is considered the "gift"! Although ultimately , even the faith that is produced by the hearing of the Gospel (Romans 10:17), cannot be from oneself, but needs be by the working in the sinners heart by the Holy Spirit. The sinner then can either accept or reject this.

 

[Van]

faith itself is a gift from God, so of course not a work!

Falsehood claimed over and over, and refuted again and again. One Calvinist claims faith is works, and another claims it is not a work. Why is it they can get nothing right?

And note Romans 4:5 says to the one who believes, not to the one who was given faith.

 

[AustinC]

You reject what the Bible Teaches

False. I believe what the Bible teaches.
We were dead in our trespasses and sins.
God chose to make us alive.
We are saved by grace, through faith.
If we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

 

[SavedByGrace]

If we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

ah, this is REPENTING, and according to you, a WORK!!! make up your minds!

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

ah, this is REPENTING, and according to you, a WORK!!! make up your minds!

1 John was written to Christians. He was encouraging them to good works. For fellowship, not salvation.

 

[SavedByGrace]

1 John was written to Christians. He was encouraging them to good works. For fellowship, not salvation.

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole world (non-Christians)". Amen!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

yeah, read your Bible, like Jesus' Words "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47), and Peter, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38), and "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (3:19). If you cannot grasp this great Truth in plain English, I could give it to you again in Greek or Latin!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Can someone tell me how sorry I need to be for my sins to be saved? Really sorry or just a little? Is their a degree of sorrow I need to reach to be regenerated?

What about repenting of my sins? How many sins? All? How is that possible? I thought repentance was changing our mind about Jesus.

also, "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" (2 Corinthians 7:10)

And, Luke 18:13, "But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’"

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole world (non-Christians)". Amen!

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole worldaa. Thank you for believing in universal atonement. But 1 John was written to Christians.

wrong! 1 John 2:2 is most definitely about the salvation of the entire human race, "He is the propitiation for our sins (Christians), and not for ours only (Christians) but also for the sins of the whole world (non-Christians)". Amen!

what does 2:2 have anything to do with what I said?

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

yeah, read your Bible, like Jesus' Words "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47), and Peter, "Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:37-38), and "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" (3:19). If you cannot grasp this great Truth in plain English, I could give it to you again in Greek or Latin!

Again you didn’t answer the question. I understand you say we need to repent. I want to know of how many sins and how sorry we need to be for God to accept my repentance

 

[SavedByGrace]

1 John was written to Christians. He was encouraging them to good works. For fellowship, not salvation.

Yes, salvation, as it says

 

[SavedByGrace]

Again you didn’t answer the question. I understand you say we need to repent. I want to know of how many sins and how sorry we need to be for God to accept my repentance

"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" (2 Corinthians 7:10)

 

[SavedByGrace]

Again you didn’t answer the question. I understand you say we need to repent. I want to know of how many sins and how sorry we need to be for God to accept my repentance

ALL your sins, and with truly "godly sorrow", as the Bible says. God knows our hearts. Anyway I am off to bed as I am from good old England. Good night!

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" (2 Corinthians 7:10)

Are you a politician? Because this verse does not answer the question

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

ALL your sins, and with truly "godly sorrow", as the Bible says. God knows our hearts. Anyway I am off to bed as I am from good old England. Good night!

Anyone who says they have repented of all their sins and is sorry for all their sins is a liar sir. That is impossible and the Lord doesn’t grade on a curve. So it’s sinless perfection that is needed and no amount of repentance or sorrow can be achieved by a human.