Biden and the Second Amendment

[KenH]

In your view, what percentage of politicians are corrupt, liars, thieves, and power controlling?

There is a Biblical answer for that. I hope that @JonC agrees:

Romans 3:9-18 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written,

There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit;
The poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery are in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.

 

[Salty]

In your view, what percentage of politicians are corrupt, liars, thieves, and power controlling?

and what do you call people who vote for them?

 

[KenH]

and what do you call people who vote for them?

There is a Biblical answer for that. See my post #21 above.

 

[JonC]

In your view, what percentage of politicians are corrupt, liars, thieves, and power controlling?

Corrupt, liars, and thieves....I have no idea. I suspect the worst of career politicians.

A part of a corrupt and worldly system that seeks power? All of them.

 

[Salty]

not the answer I am looking for.

Example - Our county is having an election for a county judge.
One candidate was found to be involved in using drugs.
It is too late to remove him from the ballot.

The chairmen of the two parties that endorsed him - are asking voters in our county to vote a write ballot for a town judge.
We will find out what kind of voters we have in our county - will let you know in Nov.

 

[KenH]

not the answer I am looking for.

Example - Our county is having an election for a county judge.
One candidate was found to be involved in using drugs.
It is too late to remove him from the ballot.

The chairmen of the two parties that endorsed him - are asking voters in our county to vote a write ballot for a town judge.
We will find out what kind of voters we have in our county - will let you know in Nov.

Regardless of who you elect, the person will be a filthy, vile, corrupt sinner. There is no other option - as we are all filthy vile, corrupt sinners, including the people who will be voting.

There are vile, corrupt sinners whom God saves by His sovereign grace. And there are vile, corrupt sinners that God does not save by His sovereign grace.

 

[Van]

Specifically, who?

You opine on the topic yet are unaware of those convicted to Treason? Or of the basis of their conviction?

Was not the "Crossfire Hurricane" travesty hatched in the Oval Office with Mr. Biden in attendance not treason?
Was not opening the border and allowing China's Fentanyl to kill thousands of American's not treason?

• Philip Vigil and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
• John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, was convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
• In a case famous at the time, Aaron Burr was acquitted of treason, and then burned in effigy, in 1807. He voluntarily exiled himself to the United Kingdom for 5 years.
• Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
• The abolitionist John BrownThe first person executed for treason in the country's history, convicted in 1859 of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, murder, and fomenting a slave insurrection for his part in the Harpers Ferry raid;.
• Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
• William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
• Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March against the coal companies and the U.S. Army at Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[13]
• Max Stephan, a German-born Detroit tavernkeeper, was convicted of treason on July 2, 1942, after the jury deliberated for only one hour and 23 minutes. In April 1942, Stephan harbored and fed a Luftwaffe pilot at his tavern who escaped from a Canadian POW camp.[14] On August 6, Judge Arthur J. Tuttle sentenced Stephan to death by hanging.[15] He was the first man convicted and sentenced to death on a federal treason charge since the Civil War. His sentence was later commuted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to life in prison.[16]
• Hans Max Haupt, Walter Otto Froehling and Otto Richard Wergin were convicted of treason and sentenced to death, and Erna Emma Haupt, Lucille Froehling and Kate Martha Wergin were convicted of treason and sentenced to 25 years in prison on November 24, 1942, in a joint indictment.[17] All six individuals were charged with treason for giving aid and comfort to the executed German saboteur Herbert Hans Haupt. On appeal, these judgments were reversed and remanded to be retried.[18] Hans Max Haupt was convicted again on June 9, 1944.[19] He was sentenced to life in prison. He appealed again, but the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed this judgement.[20] Walter Otto Froehling and Otto Richard Wergin were sentenced to 5 years in prison on July 22, 1944 as accessories to treason.[21] Hans Max Haupt eventually appealed the case up to the Supreme Court, which sustained the verdict against him.[22]
• Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen-SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
• Max Otto Koischwitz, charged with treason for defecting to Nazi Germany during World War II in 1943, died of tuberculosis in 1944.
• Edward Leo Delaney, charged with treason for defecting to Nazi Germany during World War II in 1943, charges were dropped in 1947.
• Jane Anderson, American journalist indicted on charges of treason in 1943, defected to Nazi Germany in World War II, charges were dropped in 1947.
• Frederick Wilhelm Kaltenbach, indicted for defecting to Germany during World War II as a broadcaster in 1943, died in Soviet custody
• Douglas Chandler, worker for National Geographic, convicted of treason in 1947 for defecting to Germany during World War II, sentence commuted by president John F. Kennedy[23]
• Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
• Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name "Tokyo Rose", convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
• Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
• Herbert John Burgman, convicted of treason in 1949 during WWII for spreading Nazi propaganda; sentenced to 6–20 years in prison.
• Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Of course. He's a politician.

As Cicero said… Politicians are not born, they are excreted.

 

[JonC]

You opine on the topic yet are unaware of those convicted to Treason? Or of the basis of their conviction?

Was not the "Crossfire Hurricane" travesty hatched in the Oval Office with Mr. Biden in attendance not treason?
Was not opening the border and allowing China's Fentanyl to kill thousands of American's not treason?

• Philip Vigil and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
• John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, was convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
• In a case famous at the time, Aaron Burr was acquitted of treason, and then burned in effigy, in 1807. He voluntarily exiled himself to the United Kingdom for 5 years.
• Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
• The abolitionist John BrownThe first person executed for treason in the country's history, convicted in 1859 of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, murder, and fomenting a slave insurrection for his part in the Harpers Ferry raid;.
• Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
• William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
• Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March against the coal companies and the U.S. Army at Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[13]
• Max Stephan, a German-born Detroit tavernkeeper, was convicted of treason on July 2, 1942, after the jury deliberated for only one hour and 23 minutes. In April 1942, Stephan harbored and fed a Luftwaffe pilot at his tavern who escaped from a Canadian POW camp.[14] On August 6, Judge Arthur J. Tuttle sentenced Stephan to death by hanging.[15] He was the first man convicted and sentenced to death on a federal treason charge since the Civil War. His sentence was later commuted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to life in prison.[16]
• Hans Max Haupt, Walter Otto Froehling and Otto Richard Wergin were convicted of treason and sentenced to death, and Erna Emma Haupt, Lucille Froehling and Kate Martha Wergin were convicted of treason and sentenced to 25 years in prison on November 24, 1942, in a joint indictment.[17] All six individuals were charged with treason for giving aid and comfort to the executed German saboteur Herbert Hans Haupt. On appeal, these judgments were reversed and remanded to be retried.[18] Hans Max Haupt was convicted again on June 9, 1944.[19] He was sentenced to life in prison. He appealed again, but the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed this judgement.[20] Walter Otto Froehling and Otto Richard Wergin were sentenced to 5 years in prison on July 22, 1944 as accessories to treason.[21] Hans Max Haupt eventually appealed the case up to the Supreme Court, which sustained the verdict against him.[22]
• Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen-SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
• Max Otto Koischwitz, charged with treason for defecting to Nazi Germany during World War II in 1943, died of tuberculosis in 1944.
• Edward Leo Delaney, charged with treason for defecting to Nazi Germany during World War II in 1943, charges were dropped in 1947.
• Jane Anderson, American journalist indicted on charges of treason in 1943, defected to Nazi Germany in World War II, charges were dropped in 1947.
• Frederick Wilhelm Kaltenbach, indicted for defecting to Germany during World War II as a broadcaster in 1943, died in Soviet custody
• Douglas Chandler, worker for National Geographic, convicted of treason in 1947 for defecting to Germany during World War II, sentence commuted by president John F. Kennedy[23]
• Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
• Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name "Tokyo Rose", convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
• Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
• Herbert John Burgman, convicted of treason in 1949 during WWII for spreading Nazi propaganda; sentenced to 6–20 years in prison.
• Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

For hiding Nazi's???

 

[Van]

For hiding Nazi's???

Yes

Max Stephan, a German-born Detroit tavernkeeper, was convicted of treason on July 2, 1942, after the jury deliberated for only one hour and 23 minutes. In April 1942, Stephan harbored and fed a Luftwaffe pilot at his tavern who escaped from a Canadian POW camp.[14] On August 6, Judge Arthur J. Tuttle sentenced Stephan to death by hanging.[15] He was the first man convicted and sentenced to death on a federal treason charge since the Civil War. His sentence was later commuted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to life in prison.[16]

Was not the "Crossfire Hurricane" travesty hatched in the Oval Office with Mr. Biden in attendance not treason?
Was not opening the border and allowing China's Fentanyl to kill thousands of American's not treason?​

 

[JonC]

Yes

Max Stephan, a German-born Detroit tavernkeeper, was convicted of treason on July 2, 1942, after the jury deliberated for only one hour and 23 minutes. In April 1942, Stephan harbored and fed a Luftwaffe pilot at his tavern who escaped from a Canadian POW camp.[14] On August 6, Judge Arthur J. Tuttle sentenced Stephan to death by hanging.[15] He was the first man convicted and sentenced to death on a federal treason charge since the Civil War. His sentence was later commuted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to life in prison.[16]

Was not the "Crossfire Hurricane" travesty hatched in the Oval Office with Mr. Biden in attendance not treason?
Was not opening the border and allowing China's Fentanyl to kill thousands of American's not treason?​

Very interesting. A little (a lot) more than just hiding the pilot.

 

[Conan]

resident Bidon is right now supporting Ukrainian Nazi's, giving them money and weapons and support. In fact I think about all of congress is.

 

[JonC]

resident Bidon is right now supporting Ukrainian Nazi's, giving them money and weapons and support. In fact I think about all of congress is.

Were that true, it would not be treason or (in itself) illegal.

With the Ukraine- Russia issue, Russia is the aggressor trying to justify its actions where there are no legitimate justifications.

 

[Conan]

Were that true, it would not be treason or (in itself) illegal.

With the Ukraine- Russia issue, Russia is the aggressor trying to justify its actions where there are no legitimate justifications.

With all due respect,
The United States goverment is the real aggressor here. That you do not even know about our support for the Ukrainian nazis means you just don't know. I once did not know myself. Perhaps God will lead you to the truth about what we are really doing in Ukraine. There is enough information out there for you to find out. Please know that CNN and all off our mainstream media are not telling the truth. You owe it to yourself to find out the truth.

 

[JonC]

With all due respect,
The United States goverment is the real aggressor here. That you do not even know about our support for the Ukrainian nazis means you just don't know. I once did not know myself. Perhaps God will lead you to the truth about what we are really doing in Ukraine. There is enough information out there for you to find out. Please know that CNN and all off our mainstream media are not telling the truth. You owe it to yourself to find out the truth.

No. What I mean is that the Russian government is no better. They are, in fact, worse.

I agree that the US, NATO, and Ukraine's constitution was a threat to Russian interest. But the Ukraine is not subject to Russian interest.

But you are misusing the word "nazi" (unless you are claiming that the Ukrine is a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party).

If you mean Nazism (National Socialism), then the Russian government certainly fits that definition in practice and sentiment.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Yes, there are neo-Nazi elements on the Ukrainian side. However, they usually take the form of rabidly anti-Russian actions. The problem is Putin and the Kremlin label any Ukrainian patriot as a Nazi.

 

[Salty]

Yes, there are neo-Nazi elements on the Ukrainian side. However, they usually take the form of rabidly anti-Russian actions. The problem is Putin and the Kremlin label any Ukrainian patriot as a Nazi.

Kinda like Biden when he says all MAGA are radical terrorists

 

[Conan]

Kinda like Biden when he says all MAGA are radical terrorists

No, its not the same at all. Haven't any of you seen the Nazi tattoo's on Ukrainian forces? Haven't you seen Nazi tattoos on Ukrainian prisoners of war? Haven't you seen the statue of bandero in Ukraines capitol who murdered 200,000 Jews in Ukraine in WW2. No you three haven't. Or you ignored the videos that were previously posted.

 

[Conan]

 

[Conan]