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Biden and the Second Amendment

Squire Robertsson

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No, it's not the same at all. Haven't any of you seen the Nazi tattoo's on Ukrainian forces? Haven't you seen Nazi tattoos on Ukrainian prisoners of war? Haven't you seen the statue of Bandera in Ukraine's capitol who murdered 200,000 Jews in Ukraine in WW2? No, you three haven't. Or you ignored the videos that were previously posted.
Didn't you read my comment?
Yes, there are neo-Nazi elements on the Ukrainian side.
As for Bandera, He was an ultra-nationalist. He killed anybody in Ukraine who wasn't Ukrainian. He didn't care if you were Russian, Polish, or Jewish.
 

Squire Robertsson

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You opine on the topic yet are unaware of those convicted of Treason? Or of the basis of their conviction?
I know many of the names you list. However, their actions took place either in wartime or in armed rebellion (pre-1865).
 

Conan

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I guess choosers as to pick the lesser of two evils.
Trump doesn't like war. Biden, Clinton, Obama and Bush does. Misspelling on purpose.

Admin Note: Misspellings corrected to properly respect our officials
 
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Van

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And your point is? The case I was totally unaware of was of the escaped German POW.
Is taking a wrecking ball to our energy independence treasonous?
Is taking a wrecking ball to our border security treasonous?
Is taking a wrecking ball to our economy treasonous.
 

Squire Robertsson

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Is taking a wrecking ball to our energy independence treasonous?
Is taking a wrecking ball to our border security treasonous?
Is taking a wrecking ball to our economy treasonous?
Can a prosecutor get a conviction that stands on those points? Biden may be guilty of many things. Conspiracy to commit XYZ, aiding and abetting rst, just not treason.
 

Van

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Can a prosecutor get a conviction that stands on those points? Biden may be guilty of many things. Conspiracy to commit XYZ, aiding and abetting rst, just not treason.
Why personal incredulity is posted as if relevant is mind-boggling.

The issue is not getting a verdict from the Senate, but being guilty of treason in the minds of the voters.
 

Squire Robertsson

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Why personal incredulity is posted as if relevant is mind-boggling.

The issue is not getting a verdict from the Senate, but being guilty of treason in the minds of the voters.
It's called guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And I've never mentioned the Senate. I've only (at least in my mind) referred to the standard for getting a finding of guilt in a court of law. Impeachment is a different game altogether. It's all political.
 

Van

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It's called guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And I've never mentioned the Senate. I've only (at least in my mind) referred to the standard for getting a finding of guilt in a court of law. Impeachment is a different game altogether. It's all political.
Yes you have not stated your view, only attacked mine. Not something to write home about...
 

Baptist Believer

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You claimed, Biden "says all MAGA are radical terrorists."

The closing paragraphs from the article YOU selected to back up your claim, proves your assertion wrong:

"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Biden said. "MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of the law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election."

The president said that he does not think "every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans." But, he said, the GOP overall is "dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans."
Are you willfully distorting the President's words or do you not understand them? Do you not recognize the moment?

Donald Trump has been caught with stolen government documents (more than 11,000) at an unsecured place of business that has a history of being penetrated by foreign agents. A significant portion of the documents are confidential, with security levels all the way to the highest levels, with no indication that they have been declassified. Moreover, Trump has now admitted that he had the documents, while previously asserted in response to a subpoena that he did not have any more documents.

We now have persons like Lindsey Graham asserting that there will be "riots in the streets" if Trump is indicted, demonstrated, at the very least, that the MAGA diehards won't allow the President to be subject to the rule of law. In the Republican Party, it is difficult for anyone to publicly hold that opinion that the 2020 election was not stolen without facing tremendous internal abuse.

And remember, many MAGA leaders idolize Viktor Orban, the autocratic prime minister of Hungary.

That is at least "semi-fascism."

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Conan

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You claimed, Biden "says all MAGA are radical terrorists."

The closing paragraphs from the article YOU selected to back up your claim, proves your assertion wrong:

"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Biden said. "MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of the law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election."

The president said that he does not think "every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans." But, he said, the GOP overall is "dominated, driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans."
Are you willfully distorting the President's words or do you not understand them? Do you not recognize the moment?

Donald Trump has been caught with stolen government documents (more than 11,000) at an unsecured place of business that has a history of being penetrated by foreign agents. A significant portion of the documents are confidential, with security levels all the way to the highest levels, with no indication that they have been declassified. Moreover, Trump has now admitted that he had the documents, while previously asserted in response to a subpoena that he did not have any more documents.

We now have persons like Lindsey Graham asserting that there will be "riots in the streets" if Trump is indicted, demonstrated, at the very least, that the MAGA diehards won't allow the President to be subject to the rule of law. In the Republican Party, it is difficult for anyone to publicly hold that opinion that the 2020 election was not stolen without facing tremendous internal abuse.

And remember, many MAGA leaders idolize Viktor Orban, the autocratic prime minister of Hungary.

That is at least "semi-fascism."

domestic-terrorists-cpac-dallas-patrick-strickland.jpg

CPAC-Dallas-we-are-all-domestic-terrorists-banner-17359959.php
You idolize Biden who supports Ukrainian Nazis who idolize bandera, who murdered over 200,000 jews in WW2. Your side are the fascist. The proof is in who you support and give our money to. By
the way, almost 100% of Republicans back Trump, so biden called all of us his enemy, even though we are are law abiding Americans. Don't apologize for his hate speach. We heard his disloyal self speaking. He called all republicans his enemy, his speech writers couldn't do any better.
 
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Baptist Believer

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You idolize Biden…
False.

…who supports Ukrainian Nazis…
False.

…who idolize bandera…
Who?

…who murdered over 200,000 jews in WW2.
Okay. You need to be careful about looking at Russia’s record of mass murder. That would make you a hypocrite.

Your side are the fascist.
False. I am on the side of Jesus and telling the truth. It’s also clear you don’t know what Fascism is.

The proof is in who you support and give our money to.
False.

By the way, almost 100% of Republicans back Trump…
Right. Those who don’t you classify as RINOs, so you self-select his level of support.

Of course, I hope that doesn’t mean that 100% of Republicans support attacks on democracy, the obvious crimes of Trump with the document issues, and the January 6th assault, since Trump has suggested he will pardon all involved and issue an apology from the government for allowing them to attack.

…so biden called all of us his enemy…
So you self-identify as someone who is opposed to our Constitutional ideals in the way that Biden specified?

…even though we are are law abiding Americans.
You don’t have to break the law to oppose Constituitional democracy. If you support those who do, you are a participant in the problem.

Don't apologize for his hate speach.
No apology was offered. He was entirely correct. In fact, he was rather moderate in his comments.

The former President regularly called Democrats fascists and the press “the enemy of the people.” It was clear he was just name-calling, so it just reflected poorly on Trump. Now, the Trump zealots have been triggered by more temperate comments… It seems that many of you secretly know what he said is true.

We heard his disloyal self speaking.
I suspect you only heard highly edited clips.

He called all republicans his enemy…
He explicitly did not. Even the Fox News article that Salty posted specifically noted that. Why are you spreading falsehoods?

…his speech writers couldn't do any better.
They did a nice job.

Please get control of your emotions
 
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Conan

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False.


False.


Who?


Okay. You need to be careful about looking at Russia’s record of mass murder. That would make you a hypocrite.


False. I am on the side of Jesus and telling the truth. It’s also clear you don’t know what Fascism is.


False.


Right. Those who don’t you classify as RINOs, so you self-select his level of support.

Of course, I hope that doesn’t mean that 100% of Republicans support attacks on democracy, the obvious crimes of Trump with the document issues, and the January 6th assault, since Trump has suggested he will pardon all involved and issue an apology from the government for allowing them to attack.


So you self-identify as someone who is opposed to our Constitutional ideals in the way that Biden specified?


You don’t have to break the law to oppose Constituitional democracy. If you support those who do, you are a participant in the problem.


No apology was offered. He was entirely correct. In fact, he was rather moderate in his comments.

The former President regularly called Democrats fascists and the press “the enemy of the people.” It was clear he was just name-calling, so it just reflected poorly on Trump. Now, the Trump zealots have been triggered by more temperate comments… It seems that many of you secretly know what he said is true.


I suspect you only heard highly edited clips.


He explicitly did not. Even the Fox News article that Salty posted specifically noted that. Why are you spreading falsehoods?


They did a nice job.

Please get control of your emotions
You are perhaps someone who falls for what propagandist say. Perhaps God will open your eyes to all the lies.
 
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