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Biden Calls For Vax Mandate

Andre

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That is not what we were told. We were told the vaccines would prevent systematic infection and transmission. Now they bringing the goal posts way back.
Can you provide evidence of such statements?

But let's say you are right - we were told the vaccines would prevent systematic infection and transmission. So what? The good news is that they do provide protection against serious illness and death.
 

just-want-peace

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I did pray about getting the vaccine. While I do believe the work of the Spirit is to guide us and comfort us, I do not mind you believing God directed me to be vaccinated.

But what does that say as a whole? God tells some to get vaccinated and others that the vaccine is wrong. Is this not God being inconsistent?


Not arguing - just asking for an explanation. If Hod says the vacvine is good and the vacvine is bad....

Are you saying God leads those the vacvine will help to get vaccinated and those the vacvine will harm to refrain? If so....I may actually agree with you (I would perhaps not be comfortable skipping the shot because God comforted me in the decision to be vaccinated- perhaps it is the reverse for others).

BUT then wouldn't this make the pro-vaxers and anti-vaxers (who advocate one choice for the whole) anti-christs?


Thank you!!!

My point exactly - we are INDIVIDUALS, not a herd of cattle.
Perhaps the vax will give you (generic "you") a bad case of Bells Palsy, or ---, but to me it will keep me from getting the bug.
Sans the guidance of Divinity, how do you know which category you fit?
Worldly wisdom says "Look at the data, talk to your Dr., and throw the dice." (and with all the politics involved, best of luck with that.)
Godly wisdom says "As God for guidance & follow His leading" regardless of the hype, either pro or con, from the "experts"!

"BUT then wouldn't this make the pro-vaxers and anti-vaxers (who advocate one choice for the whole) anti-christs?"
Don't think so. Just some narrow thinking that, like the dems, will not/can not think past 10 minutes in the future, OR that everybody is not like "them"!
 

Andre

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'this is indeed sin"

That statement you just said exposes your own hypocritical can of worms, as you have claimed your right and true about what you affirm, and all your doing by your own admission is going along with what experts and the media say. But you cant know that your right and the other side wrong. Just making such an assertion shows the hypocrisy, cause what if your wrong...
My word, how, exactly, am I am a hypocrite?

A hypocrite is "a person who acts in a way that goes against what he or she claims to believe or feel"

Now then, of course, I believe I am right! As do you in your belief that refusing the vaccine is the right choice! Have I ever stated or implied that it is not possible that I am mistaken?

You appear to be doing what anti-vaxers frequently do - they artfully frame this issue a matter of "difference of opinion".

But, it is not. The science and the experts are clearly one side.
 

just-want-peace

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Andre sez: "The science and the experts are clearly one side."
Pretty much agree, but the "ONE SIDE" IMHO seems to be political and/or CYA, not just facts - but who can even trust this anymore?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

Reynolds

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Can you provide evidence of such statements?

But let's say you are right - we were told the vaccines would prevent systematic infection and transmission. So what? The good news is that they do provide protection against serious illness and death.
You must not listen to Faucci and Biden.
 

Andre

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First, your site is highly questionable. From mediabiasfactcheck:

Overall, we rate NOQ Report Far-Right Biased based and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, a lack of transparency, and false information.

And now from the article:

And it’s why exponentially higher numbers than anything we’ve seen in history of adverse reactions to the Covid “vaccines,” including deaths, can be ignored by the masses so they can get injected with “protection” against a disease that has a 99.94% recovery rate for people under the age of 45.

Two points. First, the claim about "adverse reactions" is so vague as to be essentially meaningless - how many such reactions? Of what severity? Second, this author seems to think that only those under 45 matter. Hmmmm. It would absurd for me to say that we need not do anything about prostate cancer, or Alzheimers, since those under 45 are rarely affected.
 

Andre

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Andre sez: "The science and the experts are clearly one side."
Pretty much agree, but the "ONE SIDE" IMHO seems to be political and/or CYA, not just facts - but who can even trust this anymore?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Again, if you are immersed in a conspiracy-theory mindset, you can justify dismissing any recommendation from experts - perhaps they are all involved in some sort of sinister plot to lead you astray:

Perhaps smoking is good for you.
Perhaps cheeseburger high blood pressure is a good thing.
Perhaps the moon landings were fake
Perhaps in a nation with a long history of open and fair elections, Joe Biden stole the Presidency.

It never ends with this mindset - one has essentially carte blanche to dismiss any fact that does not align with one's worldview.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
Again, if you are immersed in a conspiracy-theory mindset, you can justify dismissing any recommendation from experts - perhaps they are all involved in some sort of sinister plot to lead you astray:

Perhaps smoking is good for you.
Perhaps cheeseburger high blood pressure is a good thing.
Perhaps the moon landings were fake
Perhaps in a nation with a long history of open and fair elections, Joe Biden stole the Presidency.

It never ends with this mindset - one has essentially carte blanche to dismiss any fact that does not align with one's worldview.
One issue is the anti-vaxers fo not rely on experts to arrive at a position. They find "experts" who agree with their position.

It is like looking to Scrioture to support your belief rather than deriving your belief from Scripture.
 

Reynolds

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One issue is the anti-vaxers fo not rely on experts to arrive at a position. They find "experts" who agree with their position.

It is like looking to Scrioture to support your belief rather than deriving your belief from Scripture.
Most scientists do not believe in God. Be careful following the advice of fools.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
Thank you!!!

My point exactly - we are INDIVIDUALS, not a herd of cattle.
Perhaps the vax will give you (generic "you") a bad case of Bells Palsy, or ---, but to me it will keep me from getting the bug.
Sans the guidance of Divinity, how do you know which category you fit?
Worldly wisdom says "Look at the data, talk to your Dr., and throw the dice." (and with all the politics involved, best of luck with that.)
Godly wisdom says "As God for guidance & follow His leading" regardless of the hype, either pro or con, from the "experts"!

"BUT then wouldn't this make the pro-vaxers and anti-vaxers (who advocate one choice for the whole) anti-christs?"
Don't think so. Just some narrow thinking that, like the dems, will not/can not think past 10 minutes in the future, OR that everybody is not like "them"!
If you are correct, then I would fit into the category that will benefit from the vacvine based on the oease and comfort God provided about the issue and about the vaccine.

If God guides people to be vaccinated ans not to get the shot then those who are trying to persuad others to obey their opinions are trying to persuade them to disobey God.

People need to refrain from persuading people either way. It is not their business.
 

JonC

Moderator
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Most scientists do not believe in God. Be careful following the advice of fools.
I have not taken the advice of most scientists.

What I am saying is many here are offering advise from doctors they have never encountered except when looking for support of their position.
 

Reynolds

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I have not taken the advice of most scientists.

What I am saying is many here are offering advise from doctors they have never encountered except when looking for support of their position.
You met the doctors you relying on for info?
CDC is a bunch of Doctors you probably have not met.
 

RipponRedeaux

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People need to refrain from persuading people either way. It is not their business.
I would say it is indeed my business. Not to scold anyone, but to warn them of the risks involved with taking the jab. Anyone with eyes to see knows this is the first step of the Great Reset. Please look at the situation in Australia and New Zealand. It is all about a power grab by the elites. It is totalitarianism coming down the street. Freedoms are being stripped away. It hasn't manifested itself as fully in the States yet (Ca and NY are ahead of the game) as it is in Australia and New Zealand, but it will be in our country soon unless...
 

xlsdraw

Active Member
I would say it is indeed my business. Not to scold anyone, but to warn them of the risks involved with taking the jab. Anyone with eyes to see knows this is the first step of the Great Reset. Please look at the situation in Australia and New Zealand. It is all about a power grab by the elites. It is totalitarianism coming down the street. Freedoms are being stripped away. It hasn't manifested itself as fully in the States yet (Ca and NY are ahead of the game) as it is in Australia and New Zealand, but it will be in our country soon unless...

Possibly.
 

JonC

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You met the doctors you relying on for info?
CDC is a bunch of Doctors you probably have not met.
Yes.

I am not relying on the CDC. I just mentioned they have the information you couldn't get through the media about side-effects avaliable on their website.
 

SovereignGrace

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There was a local hospital(who the corporation of was trying to make all their hospitals within their ranks have their employees vaccinated or be terminated) try to do this and 72 of their employees put in their resignations. Needless to say, they drew their horns in.
 

JonC

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I would say it is indeed my business. Not to scold anyone, but to warn them of the risks involved with taking the jab. Anyone with eyes to see knows this is the first step of the Great Reset. Please look at the situation in Australia and New Zealand. It is all about a power grab by the elites. It is totalitarianism coming down the street. Freedoms are being stripped away. It hasn't manifested itself as fully in the States yet (Ca and NY are ahead of the game) as it is in Australia and New Zealand, but it will be in our country soon unless...
You are not qualified enough for it to be your business.

You can speak of government controls, but this is politic - not the vaccine itself.
 

just-want-peace

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I would say it is indeed my business. Not to scold anyone, but to warn them of the risks involved with taking the jab. Anyone with eyes to see knows this is the first step of the Great Reset. Please look at the situation in Australia and New Zealand. It is all about a power grab by the elites. It is totalitarianism coming down the street. Freedoms are being stripped away. It hasn't manifested itself as fully in the States yet (Ca and NY are ahead of the game) as it is in Australia and New Zealand, but it will be in our country soon unless...

I agree with your assessment, but to concentrate on the vax, masks, etc only, is to miss the point that these are just feelers to keep your attention off their main goal of complete dominance in control of your every move.
I realize you noted this fact, but just wanted to emphasize that this is a test, or decoy situation, to keep our eyes on the obvious, & not the subversive.
As I proof read my post, in answer to yours, I see that you covered this point, so full steam ahead & may the warnings be heeded & not just considered “CONSPIRACY THEORIES”!!!! :Mad
 
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