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Biden DOJ Attempts To Stop Arizona Election Audit

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JonC

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You have probably done so already, but this mandating you refer to is unclear. Some major mandating needed involves progressively reducing government overreach so that it is constrained to its own mandate, and Christians should be directly politically involved in that effort. (Having well placed ears would also help keep abreast of plots. :Wink)

Government doesn't want to partner with the church, it wants to dominate the church, either turn her to its will or eradicate her. Christians should be actively involved in thwarting those efforts both within the government and without. For now we have a constitution that theoretically allows both, but for how much longer?

It's not that I agree with some of those earliest Christians who initially opposed the Holy Spirit placing someone like Paul in chains and witnessing all the way to Rome. Rather right now we have the opportunity to shine God's light on every aspect of government from within and should not hesitate to do so.

I do not suggest that every Christian is called to this, but I do suggest that those who are need not form a separate party for the purpose hoping to one day amass enough political power to gain office. We don’t need that, and I suspect it would prove counterproductive in the end, perhaps even disastrous.
It seems (IMHO) that equating the reduction of government overreach to a Christian principle is assuming a first century Jewish misunderstanding of God's kingdom.

Rome certainly had more overreach into religious life than does the US government. But Jesus (along with the Desciples the Early Church) insisted this was not the role of God's people. When challenged Jesus explained that His kingdom was not of this world. Christ came to establish His kingdom, and against Jewish expectation did not address the government overreach of His day except to say His kingdom was not of this world.

What passage(s) leads you to believe Christians are called to confront overreach in the secular government?
 

JonC

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@Revmitchell ,
Perhaps you have not realized Pelosi has done the same thing (so has Biden).

Do you have an example of Trump preaching Christ (not relating the Christmas or Easter narrative, not using Jesus' name but actually preaching Christ).

If this is your example of preaching Christ then why the hypocrisy when dealing with others like Joel Osteen and Pelosi when they do the same.
 

Revmitchell

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@Revmitchell ,
Perhaps you have not realized Pelosi has done the same thing (so has Biden).

Do you have an example of Trump preaching Christ (not relating the Christmas or Easter narrative, not using Jesus' name but actually preaching Christ).

If this is your example of preaching Christ then why the hypocrisy when dealing with others like Joel Osteen and Pelosi when they do the same.

well first of all I knew you were going to try to down play it. Second what I posted is not exhaustive.
 

Aaron

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I never said the DNC and GOP are just alike overall. I said they are opposite platforms but equally powers of this world working in opposition to God. I said two sides (opposites) of the sane coin (same thing).
blah, blah, blah.

One rebels against nature, one doesn't, but they're equally opposed to God.
One would oppress the church, the other doesn't, but they're equally opposed to God.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, I'm right about you.
 

Mikoo

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I am NOT really into politics. I am more guided by what a President or Prime Minister "faith" is, and their morality, than what they are as "politicians". Trump was supposed to be anti abortion, and yet I learned last week from a thread on here, that he was FOR women taking the abortion pill, as long as they did not at home, but in a clinic. How can this be "against" abortion? It is like saying that I am against homosexual "marriage", but I have no problems with them "living together". Either you are for, or against! Trump needed the Evangelical vote, and played them.
You sound like a person of principle. Good for you. You didn't vote for Biden either then.
 

Revmitchell

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If you have a link to the video of Pelos: or Bid:n saying the name “Jesus” or “Christ”, I would certainly watch it.

Thank you in advance

peace to you

biden just had a national day of prayer declaration where he left God out of it altogether
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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It seems (IMHO) that equating the reduction of government overreach to a Christian principle is assuming a first century Jewish misunderstanding of God's kingdom.

Rome certainly had more overreach into religious life than does the US government. But Jesus (along with the Desciples the Early Church) insisted this was not the role of God's people. When challenged Jesus explained that His kingdom was not of this world. Christ came to establish His kingdom, and against Jewish expectation did not address the government overreach of His day except to say His kingdom was not of this world.

What passage(s) leads you to believe Christians are called to confront overreach in the secular government?
The first-century Jews wanted to overthrow the Roman government in order to re-establish "their own theocracy." I hope you are not accusing me of intending such a notion, because I expressly state otherwise. As I said, I don't even think a Christian party is the way to go.

FTR, I do not believe the Church should be political per se. However, she cannot help but be political when she speaks the truth of God's word, as God's word inevitably conflicts with some manmade laws, or rather some manmade laws conflict with God's word.

One would have to show me that God does not operate within earthly governments for me to think Christians should not be involved. I will say that, if we did not have the US Constitution, I might not advocate Christian involvement in government in quite the same way.

Bottom line, the Church has no place forbidding or even criticizing a Christian holding political office or being involved in politics, unless that Christian is doing something contrary to the Gospel. There is nothing in the Gospel forbidding it. The only exception would be those called to fulltime ministry. The rest of us are necessarily "involved in civilian affairs."
 

JonC

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well first of all I knew you were going to try to down play it. Second what I posted is not exhaustive.
I am not down playing anything.

YOU said that Trump "preached Christ from the Whitehouse" many times. But you offer Trump saying what others have said many times .

IF Trumo was "preaching Christ" with his statements then you would be hypocritical to say others who said the same thing were not preaching Christ OR you have exchanged the gospel for the GOP (it is "preaching Christ" when Trump does it but not when Pelosi, Biden, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, etc. does it).

Your post is an example of what I am talking about.
 

JonC

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blah, blah, blah.

One rebels against nature, one doesn't, but they're equally opposed to God.
One would oppress the church, the other doesn't, but they're equally opposed to God.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, I'm right about you.
Yes, they are both equally opposed to God. A Reoublucan atheist is just as opposed to God as is an atheist Democrat. An anti-gay atheist is just as opposed to God as is a pro-gay atheist.

The World is opposed to God (despite your objection).
 

Aaron

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Yes, they are both equally opposed to God. A Reoublucan atheist is just as opposed to God as is an atheist Democrat. An anti-gay atheist is just as opposed to God as is a pro-gay atheist.

The World is opposed to God (despite your objection).
Whatever gives you weasel room. :Thumbsup
 

JonC

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If you have a link to the video of Pelos: or Bid:n saying the name “Jesus” or “Christ”, I would certainly watch it.

Thank you in advance

peace to you
Pelosi on Christ - " ‘The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.’ And that’s the great mystery of our faith. He will come again. He will come again. So, we have to make sure we’re prepared to answer in this life, or otherwise, as to how we have measured up.”
 

JonC

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Whatever gives you weasel room. :Thumbsup
No. You posted a very foolish thing. Now you are trying (as usual) to hide in the smoke you create.

We all know you, Aaron. You act like a child but you are not new to this forum.
 
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