Biden: First Fake President

[JonC]

I heard it explaned it this way:
Suppose in a class of 25 people - a test is given - and will be graded on a curve. But five people cheat - and end up getting an A - thus the 5 who should have recd an A - only got a B - and those who should have gotten a B - recd a C.

Well, the National election is the same way - by cheating in some States/commonwealths - it could have changed the outcome.

It could BUT that does not change the fact that the grade given is the lawful and legitimate grade.

I believe that the election was stolen. But that does not make Biden (if Congress accepts the certificates) the legal and legitimate President.

 

[Reformed1689]

I disagree. I do not believe that the federal government or another state should be permitted to control a state (I'm a state's rights guy....we will always disagree on topics like this).

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. This is not controlling another state. This is holding a state accountable to follow their own laws especially when it has federal impact.

 

[Reformed1689]

But that does not make Biden (if Congress accepts the certificates) the legal and legitimate President.

If I steal 1 Million dollars do you think that would make me a legitimate millionaire?

 

[Reformed1689]

I disagree. I do not believe that the federal government or another state should be permitted to control a state (I'm a state's rights guy....we will always disagree on topics like this).

For the record, I also believe in State's Rights. HOWEVER, this is not a State's Rights issue. They do not have the right to violate the Constitution which they did.

 

[church mouse guy]

For the record, I also believe in State's Rights. HOWEVER, this is not a State's Rights issue. They do not have the right to violate the Constitution which they did.

I agree with you. I think Trump’s lawyers are debating what to do next. Trump has the standing that Texas lacked. If Biden is inaugurated, Trump may not attend. I would not advise the First Lady to be around the uncouth Biden, Harris, and Pelosi. I never wanted to meet Obama and I never want to meet Biden. I would like to thank Trump for what he did for the rust belt to get us back to work, to get us raises, and to fight the drugs that were destroying our youth in the hills of southern Indiana.

 

[Salty]

I disagree. I do not believe that the federal government or another state should be permitted to control a state (I'm a state's rights guy....we will always disagree on topics like this).

I'm a States right guy too. But on the other hand a State/Commonwealth should not be allowed to do something that would negatively affect other S/C.

Likewise, a man has a right to wear a white robe w/face covering and walk around his yard - but when he goes next door ... well thats another story..

 

[Reformed1689]

I agree with you. I think Trump’s lawyers are debating what to do next. Trump has the standing that Texas lacked.

Don't get me started on Trump's Legal Team. They have been an absolute Fiasco.

 

[Salty]

If I steal 1 Million dollars do you think that would make me a legitimate millionaire?

It depends - are you a Democrat or a Republician

 

[Reformed1689]

It depends - are you a Democrat or a Republician

I would laugh if that' weren't the truth.....

 

[JonC]

For the record, I also believe in State's Rights. HOWEVER, this is not a State's Rights issue. They do not have the right to violate the Constitution which they did.

Let's look at it.

How did they violate the Constitution?

 

[JonC]

I'm a States right guy too. But on the other hand a State/Commonwealth should not be allowed to do something that would negatively affect other S/C.

Likewise, a man has a right to wear a white robe w/face covering and walk around his yard - but when he goes next door ... well thats another story..

States are allowed to do something that negatively affect other states....all the time. This is done with businesses, tax incentives (or a lack thereof). States are often in competition with one another (not only monetarily but also politically). And if you live on a state line you get the best of both worlds (to a very small extent).

 

[Reformed1689]

Let's look at it.

How did they violate the Constitution?

The Constitution is clear that only the State Legislatures, not boards or cabinet members, are allowed to set the rules and regulations for that state's election. Article 2 has clearly been violated by circumventing the State Legislative bodies. Remember, SCOTUS did not dismiss the case on Merit (as the media tries to claim) the cowardly court dismissed it on Standing.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Constitution is clear that only the State Legislatures, not boards or cabinet members, are allowed to set the rules and regulations for that state's election. Article 2 has clearly been violated by circumventing the State Legislative bodies. Remember, SCOTUS did not dismiss the case on Merit (as the media tries to claim) the cowardly court dismissed it on Standing.

They refused to allow the Constitution to remedy this situation, as that would have meant taking election to the House!

 

[JonC]

The Constitution is clear that only the State Legislatures, not boards or cabinet members, are allowed to set the rules and regulations for that state's election. Article 2 has clearly been violated by circumventing the State Legislative bodies. Remember, SCOTUS did not dismiss the case on Merit (as the media tries to claim) the cowardly court dismissed it on Standing.

That is a weak stance. The only way that this could be seen as unconstitutional would be if the Legislatures of the states make a case that their constitutional authority was dismissed by other state entities. Otherwise the decision is, at most by informal delegation, still in the hands of the State Legislative bodies.

 

[Reformed1689]

That is a weak stance. The only way that this could be seen as unconstitutional would be if the Legislatures of the states make a case that their constitutional authority was dismissed by other state entities. Otherwise the decision is, at most by informal delegation, still in the hands of the State Legislative bodies.

Again, it is a federal election, that is not solely a state issue.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If I steal 1 Million dollars do you think that would make me a legitimate millionaire?

That’s done on a daily basis so yes

 

[JonC]

Again, it is a federal election, that is not solely a state issue.

I know. The electors certificates are sent to Congress and they either accept them or challenge them.

My question is how this election is unconstitutional. Congress does give to the State Legislation the ability to run their elections, but it does not establish how it will do so. If they choose to take a back seat then that is their choice.

I am not saying it is a good system, but as of today it is the system our nation uses. All is fair in love and war.....until Congress gets those laws certificates. Then we can see what part of the GOP (or perhaps the DNC) are truly patriotic.

 

[Reformed1689]

If they choose to take a back seat then that is their choice.

Except they aren't if you have noticed. But the courts also have an obligation to uphold the law.

 

[JonC]

Except they aren't if you have noticed. But the courts also have an obligation to uphold the law.

I do believe if a state legislator over the election process sues its own state for illegally taking over an election then that is a constitutional issue.

Other than that, there is no honor among thieves.

 

[Reformed1689]

I do believe if a state legislator over the election process sues its own state for illegally taking over an election then that is a constitutional issue.

Other than that, there is no honor among thieves.

A constitutional issue is a constitutional issue regardless of who brings the lawsuit. Again, SCOTUS was not unanimous in saying Texas did not have standing. And since Trump signed onto the lawsuit how on earth does he not have standing? He was the one the election was stolen from!