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Biden Mask Request

Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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robustheologian said:
This mask mandate is a great idea!! It's one of the most effective things we can do against the virus right now. And the best thing about the mandate is non-compliers can face fines or arrest...and those non-compliers tend to be Trump supporters. :D
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Not effective according to the science.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Baptist Believer said:
You need to do more than just find a quote, you actually need to read the article and use your brain.

As it was noted by JonC, the Hong Kong study from February 2020 did not find that handwashing made a difference either, which completely undermines most germ theory that has been highly reliable in the past. So this study, which is an outlier, needs to be examined very carefullly.

A few things I noticed:
(1) They admitted in a few places that the sample size for a number of these groups was small.
(2) I noticed that they found that masks and handwashing was of no help in the US in a college residence hall, but turned out to help a lot in Egypt, where they actually had to provide a clean water system and train people how to wash their hands. It seems to me that someone who finally has clean water and recent training on handwashing will likely be more diligent than most American college students who barely wash their hands, sometimes only wetting them. Moreover, there is likely a cultural difference between students in Egypt and students in the United States -- students from Arab countries are much more familiar with pandemics and out-of-control disease moving through a population. I have some close friends who have served quietly in Muslim countries in Africa and the Middle East who are now serving in my area. They work with Muslim refugees who have been settled here. They have found that Muslim refugees from the Middle East are quite fearful of the pandemic and rarely venture outside their homes because of the fear of catching the virus. Our church has been delivering groceries and household supplies to a number of the families, and they are nearly willing to do without food to stay safe from disease. So there may be a cultural matter skewing the results.
(3) We have no information about the way the control groups and the tested groups move through society. As we know, mask-wearing protects OTHERS from any disease that you may carry, but it does little to protect the wearer from diseases that others might carry. If we are looking at college students wearing masks in one residence hall, yet carrying on their lives as usual in public and private settings where others are not wearing masks, we could expect that there would be very little difference between the rate of infection between the control group and the test group.

So that study raises more questions than provides answers. It seems to be an outlier in the midst of many things we already know about germ theory, and the many other studies that show masks are effective. Cherry-picking one poorly supported study from all of the contrary studies is foolish and completely misunderstands how science works.
HOWEVER, the CDC advises wearing masks, and provides both guidance on how to do it, and cites a number of studies that confirm that there is a benefit to wearing masks. So wear a mask!

More information on masks, with studies cited.
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Fauci even said masks are pointless.
 
JonC

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robustheologian said:
This mask mandate is a great idea!! It's one of the most effective things we can do against the virus right now. And the best thing about the mandate is non-compliers can face fines or arrest...and those non-compliers tend to be Trump supporters. :D
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Not so. For some reason our Dem majority don't like masks here either.

That said, Biden cannot mandate masks except in federal areas.

What he could do is request governors to mandate masks and fund PII funding to states that do.

Having worked in a state government that is typically how the federal governments its way (and I have only seen it not work once).
 
JonC

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davidtaylorjr said:
Not really something he can do. Governors also don't have that authority.
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I'm not so sure. I'm still mad that it is illegal for me to drive without wearing a seat belt.

The govenors can close down businesses. That is enough to "enforce" masks.

Those commie democrats. Messing with my freedoms. :Cautious
 
JonC

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davidtaylorjr said:
Those are mandated by legislation though are they not? That's a different scenario.
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I do not know. I do know that the Governors have shut down businesses and mandated COVID measures for them to reopen.

I do not think the people in charge care so much about laws anymore.

I swear I heard a police officer say the other day "Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!". :Laugh
 
Baptist Believer

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davidtaylorjr said:
Believe what you want, I know what Fauci said. Fauci has also been seen in public without a mask.
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Remember that in the beginning, Fauci didn’t want the public purchasing masks that were desperately needed for healthcare workers while most of the country was in a lockdown. After we came out of the lockdown, and we had more information about the virus, the recommendations changed.

In effect, you are claiming that Fauci can never change recommendations according to circumstances. And Fauci has stated something quite different for the past six months. You are being extremely selective about the source you are using to justify your view. You are being completely irrational and intentionally ignorant.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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JonC said:
I do not know. I do know that the Governors have shut down businesses and mandated COVID measures for them to reopen.
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And I know at least here in Kentucky our Governor was challenged on most of his COVID measures and lost every single one of them in court as illegal and unconstitutional.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Baptist Believer said:
Remember that in the beginning, Fauci didn’t want the public purchasing masks that were desperately needed for healthcare workers while most of the country was in a lockdown. After we came out of the lockdown, and we had more information about the virus, the recommendations changed.
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So he says.

Baptist Believer said:
In effect, you are claiming that Fauci can never change recommendations according to circumstances. And Fauci has stated something quite different for the past six months. You are being extremely selective about the source you are using to justify your view. You are being completely irrational and intentionally ignorant.
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I'm saying Fauci is a political hack.
 
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Scott Downey

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https://www.med.umich.edu/kec/pdf/coronavirus-and-your-eyes-aao.pdf
Covid infects as easily through eyes as nose, they are both wet membranes exposed to the air in which are floating covid virus particles.

So then you should also wear goggles all you mask lovers and demanders that others wear masks to protect others should also say everyone should wear goggles,
AND, since the virus is in the air, a splash shield is not sufficient!

If your honest and not hypocritical here just following the 'party control line' , you will demand goggles too along with masks.

Are you going to 'follow the science' or not then. Lets see how real you are, go out in public with sealed goggles with no air slots, no goggles just made to protect eyes from flying debris.

Diving masks would be ok to wear in public. Gas masks would also be appropriate, maybe, but not sure they filter out viruses, they might just neutralize poisons.
 
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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Scott Downey said:
https://www.med.umich.edu/kec/pdf/coronavirus-and-your-eyes-aao.pdf
Covid infects as easily through eyes as nose, they are both wet membranes exposed to the air in which are floating covid virus particles.

So then you should also wear goggles all you mask lovers and demanders that others wear masks to protect others should also say everyone should wear goggles,
AND, since the virus is in the air, a splash shield is not sufficient!

If your honest and not hypocritical here just following the 'party control line' , you will demand goggles too along with masks.

Are you going to 'follow the science' or not then. Lets see how real you are, go out in public with sealed goggles with no air slots, no goggles just made to protect eyes from flying debris.

Diving masks would be ok to wear in public. Gas masks would also be appropriate, maybe, but not sure they filter out viruses, they might just neutralize poisons.
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The problem is this is not about science and anyone with half a brain knows it.
 
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Scott Downey

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davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is this is not about science and anyone with half a brain knows it.
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The mask demanding public wearers thinks it is about the science and the science clearly says covid infects through eyes and nose.
Lets see how willing they are to follow the 'science', or not. I think if they are honest they will see the folly here. So then it is about political control and the anti-Trump narrative.

Imagine Biden coming out and saying everyone has to wear diving masks outdoors.
 
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